coach driver had to swear at and threaten school children to make them put seat belts on

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AIBU to think these kids need a little bit more of this plain speaking in their lives! If I had been that driver, I would simply have refused to drive them home, and just left them there. Poor guy had no choice but to make them behave, or not drive them as they were unsafe.

I imagine it has done them the world of good to hear what people actually think of them. I can't think why the school is complaining, rather than thanking him

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ced3z8kx9eqo

Why didn’t the teachers sort them out before it got to this point

You want school teachers that threaten to fucking punch up their pupils or ones who'll carry it through? What's the point of empty threats. Let's allow teachers to hit and thumping kids that they feel need it. Parents too. From any age. Misbehave, get thumped. That's the society I want to live in 🙄🙄

To be fair there are way most posts supporting the driver - at least to the extent of understanding why he behaved like that albeit not the punching threats.

Obviously the punching threats were wrong but I can still remember school trips on coaches and how some of the boys (always boys) behaved. I very much doubt any of them were remotely traumatised by being shouted at like that. And I doubt he was shouting at the allegedly ‘very upset girl who then didn’t want to go on school trips’.

honestly tho - given all these kids no doubt have parental-granted access to the internet and all the swearing and anger there, I’m a little amused some of the parents are ‘oh no my poor like Henry has never hear shouty words before he’s soooo upset’

good that the driver isn’t working with kids anymore of course

Maybe children should only get allowed to go on trips if they're not obnoxious little turds

That parent is the problem, and parents like her. She clearly doesn't realise that it's her job to raise her child properly and follow instructions from bus drivers.

I do think it's telling though that it's from one of the big academy chains. They mostly employ quite young and inexperienced teachers (as they're cheap and easily bullied themselves), which means they probably have no idea how to deal with situations like this when away from school.

He should not have threatened to punch them.

But there were 7 teachers on that trip, allowing kids to travel without seat belts, smoke (allegedly) and otherwise behave badly in a coach.

It must be absolutely awful being a coach driver if the kids are badly behaved and the teachers do not support your need to do your job properly: I.e not enforcing seat belts.

Shocking behaviour all round, starting with the kids, then teachers, then driver for the ‘punch’ comments.

He wasn’t in the right but he is the one I have most sympathy for.

You don't see a midway between no discipline and threatening / carrying out violence? And empty threats are pointless so presumably you're up for him smacking these kids about a bit if necessary.

Coach drivers can be absolutely dreadful. One went through a red light when I was on a trip - didn't even seem to see it! It was well on red as well. Very lucky we didn't have a crash.

This situation was very badly handled, you don't need to swear at children to get them to behave.

I work in a PRU, with children excluded from school, who've presented the most challenging behaviour. No one shouts, behaviour is generally very good and when it's not, it's managed calmly using the respect staff have earned.

A coach is what, 50 passengers and there were 7 staff? How on earth were they not able to manage that? Yes, 30 kids with one teacher is hard, if it all kicks off, but a ratio of 7/8 :1?

I imagine some of these kids say worse things.
It's not that difficult to , you know, put your seat belt on.
No wonder kids are out of control nowadays when they are being enabled by teachers/parents etc.
If inhad gone home and told my parents an adult had sworn at me they would want to know what I had done to warrant it.
Although it wasn't much of thing back then because children knew there would be consequences for poor behaviour

I think the "news" here is much more the appalling behaviour and the seeming lack of management by school staff, than it is what the bus driver did.

I also think he walked, wasn't sacked, and feel for him.

And that will be a criminal matter because it's still unacceptable.

I think the school and parents need to take a long hard look at their actions, or lack of in this situation but none of that condones this man's threatening behaviour.

If his wife lit up a cigarette in his car, I did her seatbelt and dropped sweet wrappers on the floor, would you think she deserved a fuxking punch in the face too? Or his 5 yo taking off their belt and spilling a drink over the chair? Or is it only other people's kids he should be threatening to harm?

I bet if this coach driver turned up again, the kids would put their belts on no question.

Of course the coach driver's behaviour was completely unacceptable, I don't see how anyone can argue otherwise.

But it's also clear that some of these kids were being vile. There are so many restrictions around what teachers can do to manage behaviour. You can just imagine, if some of these kids were reprimanded, their parents would probably claim it was damaging their kid's mental health, or that the kid had some mental health disability that meant they couldn't be expected to behave.

Honestly who the hell would be a teacher (or a coach driver doing school jobs)? Of course he shouldn't have done what he did and was rightly dismissed (and probably would have walked anyway!) but why the fuck do some men and women churn out kids and then take no responsibility for parenting them?

What a ridiculous, offensive stretch.

This is exactly what I want to know.

I'd want to know it if I was a parent and I'd also want to know it if I'd sent a member of my staff to drive the coach.

I hope there's a very thorough investigation because if the SEVEN teachers can't get the pupils to do something as simple as put their seat belts on and stop smoking, that puts every child in that school at risk from completely ineffectual safeguarding.

I’d also nominate for being in charge of national service 😉

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Then he shouldn't be disciplining them. Pull up and get off. Shout at the ADULTS and tell them you're calling it in and refusing to move until they remove the trouble makers or make them behave. Is it just threats that ok or would you be cool if he'd slapped one of them around a bit, shown him who's boss, put him in his place?

Umm I didn't say I was ok with threats. I said I can see why he lost his temper. Should he have lost it with the adults, yes. Maybe he did but the kids didn't film that.

Same.
Shame he threatened them - but everything else seems to be justified!
My quiet and gentle kids have to put up with this kind of boisterous, rough and rowdy behaviour from kids at school EVERYDAY. I've no idea what the teachers are doing to stop it...nothing it seems.
Same as in this bus, where the fuck are the teachers?
I know for a fact my kid would be made up if a teacher lost their shit like this (minus the threats) and kids actually shut the fuck up, Sat down and engaged in classes.
As for other kids on the bus being traumatised 😂 get a fucking grip...If your sat down, strapped in and behaving , then the ranting isn't aimed at you - the ranter is, in a round about way, sticking up for you and your safety.

I honestly don't think it does any harm for some kids to see what happens when you really piss someone off (especially someone carrying out a service for you) .These are the kids who've been lead to believe the world revolves around them - in the real grown up world these are the people who get punched for being a cunt 🤷

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That was my first thought when I what school they were from.

Misbehaviour on the coach should have been written into the risk assessment for the trip, so the staff would be prepared to deal with it.

So true ..

Other kids now know that they can be as shitty as they like to anyone and all that happens is someone loses or quits their job as a consequence - great life lesson

A shower of little shits.
Loved all the clunk-clicks of the seatbelts when he started
That said, it must have been incredibly stressful for the kids who did no wrong