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Disorder in Leeds

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OrangeFurever · 18/07/2024 21:53

Anyone watching the public disorder in Leeds? Bloody disgusting behaviour. Animals. AIBU to wish police had so many more resources to bring consequences to these absolute excuses for humanity?

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inamarina · 22/07/2024 08:54

MaturingCheeseball · 22/07/2024 08:26

There is so much Whataboutery on this thread. We all know about Nigel Farage and his ilk. Should he have jumped in? No. But also making him the whole focus of this rioting is bizarre. So don’t look at the rioters in Leeds, no, look at what Nigel Farage said!

I’m agreeing with @ShouldhavebeencalledAppollo - it just seems like a concerted effort to shut down discussion.

I agree with both of you.
The fixation on the Farage tweet by some is bizarre, but also quite predictable.
Almost as if it were a welcome distraction from the actual riots, something to focus on and obsess over instead of addressing the actual issues.
I don’t think Farage should have waded in, but he wasn’t the reason the riots started.

OneBadKitty · 22/07/2024 09:45

I wonder if any of the people here calling out racism actually live in areas with high immigration and high crime rates?

OlgaBracley · 22/07/2024 10:12

You're right @MaturingCheeseball

Unfortunately, this is something that is quite often done by media outlets and the authorities-shine a light on something or someone else and try to make people forget who the real culprits are-rioting migrants-or at least muddy the waters.

Some fall for this because they want to-they don't want to admit that lawless migrants did this and some fall for it because they're stupid or upset about being called racist.

Happily though, less and less people are falling for it and these tactics are beginning to fail in the world outside the media.

Who and what caused the riots in Harehills?

The only answer is: The Migrants-a mixture of Roma and others-caused the Riots. They caused them because they did not like the law of this land being imposed on them.

Did the Police Stop the Riots?

Answer: No. They got rid of the police and would only listen to their own community leaders?

What reason did Community leaders give for the riot?

Answer: Systematic Racism

Does anyone with half a brain a brain believe this?

Answer: No

Was This the Fault of Nigel Farage or The Far Right?

Answer: No

Have the Community Leaders or Rioters apologised?

Answer No.

What Will Leeds do?

Answer: According to The Independent Newspaper: " After meeting with representatives of the Roma Community, Leeds City Council agreed to undertake an urgent review of the family matter case.

What lessons have the Harehill Migrant Community learned from their behaviour on Friday night?

Answer: They have learned that every time a law that they don't like is applied to them, they can riot. They have learned that the police will hand over responsibility to their community leaders. They have learned that the authorities will backtrack.

Do other people outside the migrant community agree with this and how will they try to draw attention away from the riot?

Answer: according to this thread, some do agree with this approach, They will try to draw attention away from this riot by implying that Nigel Farage and the right wing are the ones at fault.

Do most people believe this view?

No. Not at all, The poll on this thread shows this but those voices will be drowned out.

What might happen in the future?

Answer: It is possible that we will have more riots from migrant communities operating behind the excuse that they behave like this because of racism and that their supporters will say it is the fault of right wing politicians.

Ultimately, this could lead to a groundswell of support for people who will make our current right wing look like a child's tea party.

Can we do anything?

Yes, although nothing can be done right now because any criticism of migrant behaviour is met with accusations of racism and, at the moment, everyone is terrified of being called a racist.
We must not be frightened of calling out lawless behaviour just because a migrant community has committed it. This can be done but it is some way off. We can laugh at it this accusation when it is plainly nonsense and use our vote in any election-local or national-to show that we will not be hoodwinked.

Will people still come along on this thread trying to say it was the fault of Nigel Farage?

Answer. Yes. Of Course.

MaturingCheeseball · 22/07/2024 10:13

it’s not just horrible racist Big Bad Britain - see Ireland at the moment.

LordPercyPercy · 22/07/2024 10:28

Here's the reality of the community involved:

https://x.com/jomickane/status/1815000147828330539

x.com

https://x.com/jomickane/status/1815000147828330539

OlgaBracley · 22/07/2024 10:57

@LordPercyPercy
How vibrant, how articulate and how lovely- bravely standing up to racism.

TheThingIsYeah · 22/07/2024 11:07

Are you all feeling "enriched" yet?

Littlebluetruck · 22/07/2024 11:39

LordPercyPercy · 22/07/2024 10:28

Here's the reality of the community involved:

https://x.com/jomickane/status/1815000147828330539

Genuine question…

Was she arrested?

I always assumed acting in an aggressive manner towards a police officer, telling them to fuck off and calling them bastards would result in your arrest.

OneTC · 22/07/2024 14:49

You're allowed to shout at and swear at police, within reason

Littlebluetruck · 22/07/2024 14:52

OneTC · 22/07/2024 14:49

You're allowed to shout at and swear at police, within reason

Not that I have much (any) experience with the police, but I absolutely did not know that.

FinalCeleryScheme · 22/07/2024 14:59

OneTC · 22/07/2024 14:49

You're allowed to shout at and swear at police, within reason

That doesn’t mean anything.

If the police want to nick you for a public order offence, or assault (which doesn’t require physical force) or breach of the peace (not an offence, but arrestable) etc, for swearing and shouting, then they’ll do so.

OneTC · 22/07/2024 15:20

In general they don't though. They might if you're inflaming a situation but in general you're not getting arrested for what that woman is doing.

And yeah it's a very vague "right" which they'll happily nick you for anyway, but the chances of you getting charged off the back of it are virtually nil

marshmallowmix · 22/07/2024 17:55

Leeds council and SS should not pander to the parents/group who did this …they are causing riots as they aren’t getting their own way.

Torched buses and tipped over cars aren’t scenes we want to see in the U.K…not now not ever.

It is a very dangerous route to go down we have laws for child safety if they don’t want to abide by these rules then leave simple as that and alive where you will follow the laws.

Having local councillors/speakers is also a no no as well no one else gets special treatment …again if they don’t like the rules/police then leave.

You can’t have one rule for some and another rule for others…

ShouldhavebeencalledAppollo · 22/07/2024 18:08

OneTC · 22/07/2024 15:20

In general they don't though. They might if you're inflaming a situation but in general you're not getting arrested for what that woman is doing.

And yeah it's a very vague "right" which they'll happily nick you for anyway, but the chances of you getting charged off the back of it are virtually nil

But she is inflaming the situation.

User135644 · 22/07/2024 18:54

MaturingCheeseball · 22/07/2024 10:13

it’s not just horrible racist Big Bad Britain - see Ireland at the moment.

It's becoming a western consensus. People are fed up of constant mass immigration. The numbers seem to get bigger every year, especially since Covid.

OneTC · 22/07/2024 19:04

ShouldhavebeencalledAppollo · 22/07/2024 18:08

But she is inflaming the situation.

And publicly nicking her will further inflame it. The police aren't fucking idiots.

ShouldhavebeencalledAppollo · 22/07/2024 19:10

OneTC · 22/07/2024 19:04

And publicly nicking her will further inflame it. The police aren't fucking idiots.

I wasn’t commenting on wether they should arrest her.

The comment was ‘They might if you're inflaming a situation but in general you're not getting arrested for what that woman is doing.’

and I answered that she was.

But isn’t that the problem? She is inflaming the situation. The ‘community leader’ inflaming the situation, winding people up more, refusing to accept that the way the children were treated it why they were removed, acting like that towards police and they can’t arrest her in case more people get upset.

EasternStandard · 22/07/2024 19:46

User135644 · 22/07/2024 18:54

It's becoming a western consensus. People are fed up of constant mass immigration. The numbers seem to get bigger every year, especially since Covid.

It does seem to be more of an issue for quite a few countries

Seymour5 · 22/07/2024 22:11

All those who embrace open borders, do you really want your children and grandchildren to live in areas where large numbers of people don’t want to engage, don’t accept the law, and behave as they have in Harehills?

Autumnflakes · 22/07/2024 22:48

OneBadKitty · 22/07/2024 09:45

I wonder if any of the people here calling out racism actually live in areas with high immigration and high crime rates?

I grew up going to an inner city secondary. We had a huge Eastern European influx into the school 2005ish as well as from Iraq/Afghanistan. It wasn’t unusual for teachers to have Google translate on the whiteboard. I grew up thinking the rest of the U.K. was the same.

Everyone used to say how dodgy it was where I grew up but I thought they were just racists. Growing up I knew to keep my mouth closed (English = probably no dad to protect you/not wise to let strangers know your nationality) and I thought it was normal to be sexually harassed by grown men every time you went out for a pint of milk. My local gym used to have certain groups of men fully dressed in jeans sitting on work out equipment literally just staring at women. The solution was going to women’s hour.

I left for uni/moved away and it took years to adapt to ‘normal’ English areas. I sometimes go back and it’s so much worse. The litter, I cannot wear sandals to get that pint of milk now as the litter is something else. I’ve seen bins literally being tipped onto the street.

I think it’s offensive to group all immigrants together. We need immigration, immigration is great. Letting people into this country that have zero respect for our future/customs and zero want to integrate? That’s bonkers. I know Britain has been shit to the rest of the world but the bar is so low to let those who hate our country in?

It’s offensive to group people that work hard, abide by our rules, moved her for a better life and want to integrate to those who set that bus on fire. Just because we have some shit native members of our society, does that mean we have to accept the shit members of other societies? Surely we can be fussy?

LordPercyPercy · 22/07/2024 22:53

It’s offensive to group people that work hard, abide by our rules, moved her for a better life and want to integrate to those who set that bus on fire

This is the crux of it. No-one, or very few people, are saying zero immigration. Done right, it can bring huge benefits and be a massive positive to a country. Immigrants should be law-abiding net contributers, first and foremost.

User135644 · 23/07/2024 06:53

LordPercyPercy · 22/07/2024 22:53

It’s offensive to group people that work hard, abide by our rules, moved her for a better life and want to integrate to those who set that bus on fire

This is the crux of it. No-one, or very few people, are saying zero immigration. Done right, it can bring huge benefits and be a massive positive to a country. Immigrants should be law-abiding net contributers, first and foremost.

It's always about who you let in and actually vetting people. You can't just import the worlds problems like the west continues to do.

Wordsfailmeeverytime · 23/07/2024 07:46

LordPercyPercy · 22/07/2024 22:53

It’s offensive to group people that work hard, abide by our rules, moved her for a better life and want to integrate to those who set that bus on fire

This is the crux of it. No-one, or very few people, are saying zero immigration. Done right, it can bring huge benefits and be a massive positive to a country. Immigrants should be law-abiding net contributers, first and foremost.

Half the native born ‘English’ ain’t net contributors that’s the issue 😂

And saying we can only let in the skilled, are you aware how abysmal the graduate job market is. We have a shortage of skilled IT specialists, we have a job market oversaturated with CS graduates who can’t get jobs because employers can’t be bothered to train them - I don’t think the answer is allowing thousands of Indian or East European IT specialists in….
Likewise we have NHS trusts employing literally thousands of international nurses from places like Nigeria on 5 year contracts whilst our own NQN are struggling to find jobs. And yet we can’t find fruit pickers, carers, serving staff. On the other hand when your child applies for a NMW job in a supermarket and there are 100s of applicants nothing seems to make sense. Essentially I don’t think the answers are that simple.

LordPercyPercy · 23/07/2024 08:54

Half the native born ‘English’ ain’t net contributors that’s the issue

That is certainly true. Which is why I don't think the UK needs any more of that!

You're right, immigration is overall complex.

marshmallowmix · 23/07/2024 09:29

Immigration is a total mess and very, very worrying what we are seeing every day....those arriving by the boats especially.

It is 99% men too, coming from Somalia, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan...countries that are vastly different in values to here especially regarding women.

We certainly don't need this it is madness.

They throw away their papers, get given lodgings, spending money, phones and don't need to work.

UK and Germany are the 2 countries that are the biggest draw as we treat them so well...if they went to France for example they would get a tent in a field.

Europe is getting tough Poland won't allow them in and Italy and the Netherlands have already moved to the right re government...Ireland ain't happy they are rioting..it is madness and needs to be stopped.