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Disorder in Leeds

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OrangeFurever · 18/07/2024 21:53

Anyone watching the public disorder in Leeds? Bloody disgusting behaviour. Animals. AIBU to wish police had so many more resources to bring consequences to these absolute excuses for humanity?

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ofVeracity · 21/07/2024 19:24

IClaudine · 21/07/2024 16:09

Tell me where he even said or implied Muslim. What is this issue about the politics of the subcontinent - what are you saying it referred to

Sorry for the GB News link, but it shows that Farage has used the phrase “subcontinent politics” previously and what he means by it.

www.gbnews.com/news/nigel-farage-birmingham-muslim-news-world-latest

Great thank you, interesting interview. He certainly uses that phrase there in relation to the politics of the Indian subcontinent, as that is what the interview is about, and I presume that is what you meant. So I now understand why it may have been assumed that is what he meant here, so thank you for that.

I am not a listener of GB News or most other political debates, as I am sick of politicians repeatedly slagging each other off without providing effective plans or solutions themselves. I have never heard him use that phrase and know his primary concerns have been mass unintegrated immigration and European policy facilitating that, so that is what his words conveyed to me. I don’t use Twitx or other social media.

I still don’t know where you get Muslims from, as the Indian subcontinent has a number of religions / power groups. However interesting that it seems, that what you and others assumed he meant, was, I think it is fair to say, exactly what was going on at the same time in London with Bangladesh protests and fighting.

I did find that interview quite disturbing as it starkly underlines the extent of the passion for bringing foreign politics (like the issue of Kashmir) onto our streets, by those more strongly aligned to issues about their country of ethnic origin seemingly rather than putting our own country’s interests first. He was quite aggressively disrupting a cinema showing because he did not agree with part of the text. He denied he would break the law, but talked about being trained from birth to protect their values and would do anything in his power physical, mental or financial. Which pretty much underlines some of the issues I made on page 20.

sir keir seemed very derisive of one rule for them and another for the rest of us, so let’s hope he makes sure he sticks to the same rules for all of us, without for instance winding back the equality of women and protection of children. Otherwise it would indeed be a very prejudiced society on an issue that is exercising much of Europe (the sub continent)

Tattletwat · 21/07/2024 19:25

ofVeracity · 21/07/2024 19:21

I certainly wasn’t pretending, I am not sure anyone else was either.

I did not vote Reform, but in Labours landslide victory it should be kept in mind

  • that only 20% of the electorate voted Labour
  • Jeremy when he lost, got more votes than Sir Keir
  • for every 10 people that voted Labour over. 4 voted Reform
  • Reform only got just over 1% of the seats that Labour did for over 40% of the votes that Labour got

My point is this is a big issue that needs to be handled carefully and name calling is not the way to reach consensus. But anyway that is for a different thread

Also people need to remember the people in government now knelt for a violent thug George Floyd's funeral.

Disorder in Leeds
Littlebluetruck · 21/07/2024 19:26

WildLemur · 21/07/2024 19:20

Yup. Every honest person knows "the subcontinent" generally refers to the Indian subcontinent.

And even if that were not the case, Farage has repeatedly referenced "politics of the subcontinent" in relation to India. As a PP posted, he did so in a GB News segment last year, he has also tweeted the phrase earlier this year:

https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1781383356237664394

I’ve always known the subcontinent to be India too. So I am really confused by what he said. I can see why some people may think he meant subcontinental Europe, because otherwise, it’s nonsensical.

Perhaps he confused what happened in Leeds with what happened in London?

IClaudine · 21/07/2024 19:29

ofVeracity · 21/07/2024 19:24

Great thank you, interesting interview. He certainly uses that phrase there in relation to the politics of the Indian subcontinent, as that is what the interview is about, and I presume that is what you meant. So I now understand why it may have been assumed that is what he meant here, so thank you for that.

I am not a listener of GB News or most other political debates, as I am sick of politicians repeatedly slagging each other off without providing effective plans or solutions themselves. I have never heard him use that phrase and know his primary concerns have been mass unintegrated immigration and European policy facilitating that, so that is what his words conveyed to me. I don’t use Twitx or other social media.

I still don’t know where you get Muslims from, as the Indian subcontinent has a number of religions / power groups. However interesting that it seems, that what you and others assumed he meant, was, I think it is fair to say, exactly what was going on at the same time in London with Bangladesh protests and fighting.

I did find that interview quite disturbing as it starkly underlines the extent of the passion for bringing foreign politics (like the issue of Kashmir) onto our streets, by those more strongly aligned to issues about their country of ethnic origin seemingly rather than putting our own country’s interests first. He was quite aggressively disrupting a cinema showing because he did not agree with part of the text. He denied he would break the law, but talked about being trained from birth to protect their values and would do anything in his power physical, mental or financial. Which pretty much underlines some of the issues I made on page 20.

sir keir seemed very derisive of one rule for them and another for the rest of us, so let’s hope he makes sure he sticks to the same rules for all of us, without for instance winding back the equality of women and protection of children. Otherwise it would indeed be a very prejudiced society on an issue that is exercising much of Europe (the sub continent)

I still don’t know where you get Muslims

I didn't "get Muslims" from anywhere. That was the knee jerk reaction of several right wingers.

IClaudine · 21/07/2024 19:32

The defence of Farage on this thread is really troubling.

LordPercyPercy · 21/07/2024 19:33

Honestly there are people on here more upset by Farage saying stuff than by a bunch of arseholes burning and wrecking their own area. Because poor poppets racism something something.

IClaudine · 21/07/2024 19:37

LordPercyPercy · 21/07/2024 19:33

Honestly there are people on here more upset by Farage saying stuff than by a bunch of arseholes burning and wrecking their own area. Because poor poppets racism something something.

Farage was attempting to pour petrol on the flames of that riot. Maybe that doesn't worry you, but it does me. He is an MP and should act like one.

ofVeracity · 21/07/2024 19:45

WildLemur · 21/07/2024 19:20

Yup. Every honest person knows "the subcontinent" generally refers to the Indian subcontinent.

And even if that were not the case, Farage has repeatedly referenced "politics of the subcontinent" in relation to India. As a PP posted, he did so in a GB News segment last year, he has also tweeted the phrase earlier this year:

https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1781383356237664394

Let’s get this right you are calling me dishonest because I didn’t agree with you

Lets not get into the politics of the gutter, this is about what went on in Leeds

cakeorwine · 21/07/2024 19:49

LordPercyPercy · 21/07/2024 19:33

Honestly there are people on here more upset by Farage saying stuff than by a bunch of arseholes burning and wrecking their own area. Because poor poppets racism something something.

When an ill informed politician decides to use his platform to add fuel to the fire, it needs calling out.

I have worked in Harehills and Chapeltown. The last thing that community needs is ill informed people like Farage adding fuel to the fire. Life there is hard enough without people like Farage et al wading in.

Littlebluetruck · 21/07/2024 19:49

IClaudine · 21/07/2024 19:32

The defence of Farage on this thread is really troubling.

I am by no means a fan of Nigel Farage, nor am I defending him in any way, but what he said make no sense whatsoever, especially if he was trying to fan the flames, so I can only assume he either misunderstood the situation in Leeds for what was happening in London, or he meant subcontinental Europe.

That isn’t defending him at all. I just can’t make sense of his use of the word “subcontinent” in the context he used it. That is why I am assuming there is an element of confusion on his part.

cakeorwine · 21/07/2024 19:51

Littlebluetruck · 21/07/2024 19:49

I am by no means a fan of Nigel Farage, nor am I defending him in any way, but what he said make no sense whatsoever, especially if he was trying to fan the flames, so I can only assume he either misunderstood the situation in Leeds for what was happening in London, or he meant subcontinental Europe.

That isn’t defending him at all. I just can’t make sense of his use of the word “subcontinent” in the context he used it. That is why I am assuming there is an element of confusion on his part.

I would assume he misunderstood the situation, didn't bother to think but just decided to tweet about it.

And has been called out for it.

ofVeracity · 21/07/2024 19:51

IClaudine · 21/07/2024 19:29

I still don’t know where you get Muslims

I didn't "get Muslims" from anywhere. That was the knee jerk reaction of several right wingers.

Did you not say this at the top of the previous page …

What a load of twaddle. We all know what Farage (and all the other tweeters who jumped on the same bandwagon) was implying. That the rioters were Muslim. You can bend and twist and give yourself a hernia, but that's what he meant. We see him.

WildLemur · 21/07/2024 19:53

cakeorwine · 21/07/2024 19:51

I would assume he misunderstood the situation, didn't bother to think but just decided to tweet about it.

And has been called out for it.

Yes, he either misunderstood based (due to his personal prejudices) or deliberately lied. I would assume the former but it's not as if Farage isn't sometimes deliberately racist, so who knows.

Littlebluetruck · 21/07/2024 19:55

cakeorwine · 21/07/2024 19:51

I would assume he misunderstood the situation, didn't bother to think but just decided to tweet about it.

And has been called out for it.

I agree.

He said “politics of the subcontinent playing out on the streets of Leeds”.

He obviously assumed that the protests in London were also happening in Leeds, and is too embarrassed to admit that he made that assumption.

ofVeracity · 21/07/2024 19:56

IClaudine · 21/07/2024 19:32

The defence of Farage on this thread is really troubling.

What defence in particular? Having understood what he said differently for sound reasons and trying to understand what others were seeing, or pointing out the large support at the election which it would serve us all well not to ignore as well as understand the reasons for it.

LordPercyPercy · 21/07/2024 20:03

Life there is hard enough without people like Farage et al wading in.

I'd imagine it's hard enough without rioting and burning stuff, too.

I'm not a Farage fan myself but it's actually bizarre the levels of not holding certain communities accountable that is going on.
It's at the point where it looks like racism of low expectations.

WildLemur · 21/07/2024 20:03

ofVeracity · 21/07/2024 19:56

What defence in particular? Having understood what he said differently for sound reasons and trying to understand what others were seeing, or pointing out the large support at the election which it would serve us all well not to ignore as well as understand the reasons for it.

I think we'll have to question the soundness of your rationale, given that most people know and understand the phrase "the subcontinent" to refer to the Indian subcontinent (and, even for those unaware, a cursory google would have confirmed the same).

cakeorwine · 21/07/2024 20:08

LordPercyPercy · 21/07/2024 20:03

Life there is hard enough without people like Farage et al wading in.

I'd imagine it's hard enough without rioting and burning stuff, too.

I'm not a Farage fan myself but it's actually bizarre the levels of not holding certain communities accountable that is going on.
It's at the point where it looks like racism of low expectations.

I have been talking about Farage and his stirring up the issues with his comments about "the sub continent and the politics of the sub continent".

I also don't hold an entire community accountable for the actions of some of the members of that community.

Just as I don't hold members of the community where I live accountable for the actions of some of the members of the community towards people and the police around here.

If you hold an entire community responsible for the actions of some members of that community, then I think that's an issue.

WildLemur · 21/07/2024 20:09

LordPercyPercy · 21/07/2024 20:03

Life there is hard enough without people like Farage et al wading in.

I'd imagine it's hard enough without rioting and burning stuff, too.

I'm not a Farage fan myself but it's actually bizarre the levels of not holding certain communities accountable that is going on.
It's at the point where it looks like racism of low expectations.

I'm from Swansea and we had very similar (probably larger) riots a few years ago. I don't seem to recall a rush to hold any particular community "accountable" back then...

LordPercyPercy · 21/07/2024 20:16

I'm from Swansea and we had very similar (probably larger) riots a few years ago. I don't seem to recall a rush to hold any particular community "accountable" back then...

If that was the incident I'm thinking of, it was pretty disgraceful as well. I'm not a fan of any communities acting like tits.

ofVeracity · 21/07/2024 20:27

WildLemur · 21/07/2024 20:03

I think we'll have to question the soundness of your rationale, given that most people know and understand the phrase "the subcontinent" to refer to the Indian subcontinent (and, even for those unaware, a cursory google would have confirmed the same).

beep beep beep, backing off from calling me dishonest now?

I have a reasonably sound grasp of both the English language and geography and I explained the meaning of subcontinent under both. Given Nigel’s preoccupation with Euro politics and immigration I would say the logic was quite sound and I explained it carefully. It took a while for anyone to accede to my request to explain what they understood it to mean, there was much talk of Romania to begin with which made no sense in relation to the comment.

Quite interested in your absolute comment …
given that most people know and understand the phrase "the subcontinent" to refer to the Indian subcontinent”

Been down the high street taking an exhaustive sample, or are you just another person presenting assumptions as fact, and worse still calling others dishonest on the back of it.

WildLemur · 21/07/2024 20:34

Not backing away at all.

If you google "the subcontinent" - what results do you get?

It is genuinely hard to believe that anyone with any sort of grasp of the English language and geography could think the phrase referenced anything other than the Indian subcontinent.

IClaudine · 21/07/2024 20:37

WildLemur · 21/07/2024 20:34

Not backing away at all.

If you google "the subcontinent" - what results do you get?

It is genuinely hard to believe that anyone with any sort of grasp of the English language and geography could think the phrase referenced anything other than the Indian subcontinent.

Especially given what Farage has said in the past.

cakeorwine · 21/07/2024 20:39

I would say that most people when asked what the sub continent refers to would think of India and Pakistan instead of Europe.

OneTC · 21/07/2024 20:45

ofVeracity · 21/07/2024 20:27

beep beep beep, backing off from calling me dishonest now?

I have a reasonably sound grasp of both the English language and geography and I explained the meaning of subcontinent under both. Given Nigel’s preoccupation with Euro politics and immigration I would say the logic was quite sound and I explained it carefully. It took a while for anyone to accede to my request to explain what they understood it to mean, there was much talk of Romania to begin with which made no sense in relation to the comment.

Quite interested in your absolute comment …
given that most people know and understand the phrase "the subcontinent" to refer to the Indian subcontinent”

Been down the high street taking an exhaustive sample, or are you just another person presenting assumptions as fact, and worse still calling others dishonest on the back of it.

You're both dishonest and disingenuous Smile