Donald trump!!

[Filltheglass]

Just nearly got assasinated!!!

Hmmm bit of a weak argument.

Whilst it is quite possibly true that the shooter suffered from mental illness (we will never know for sure because he's dead).

What we do know is that he didn't particularly like Donald Trump which is why he chose to try to kill him which in itself is political motivation.

Otherwise he could have chosen to shoot a random person or a local school or a workplace.

It's not an argument - it's an observation based on previous incidents of this nature.

Because people who just don't like someone usually also accept that shooting them would be a terrible idea for many reasons.

There is nothing in the press currently to suggest he didn't like Trump either. No motive has been established but some of his peers do describe him as a loner who was bullied. Heard that sort of thing before...

Last minute reprieve, lucky me 🥳

@Emmanuelll

"There is nothing in the press currently to suggest he didn't like Trump either."

Well not liking someone is kind of a prerequisite for then trying to assassinate them.

I agree he may have had mental illness but I think it's fair to say that he wasn't fond of Donald Trump.

Where did you get this information about the shooter 'not liking' Trump? I can't see any evidence for that atm. And his classmates describe him as conservative. From where I sit, you're talking nonsense about 'the uncomfortable truth of the dangerous left'.

Quote;

“The majority of the class were on the liberal side, but Tom, no matter what, always stood his ground on the conservative side,” Smith said. “That’s still the picture I have of him. Just standing alone on one side while the rest of the class was on the other.”

www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/15/trump-shooter-motive

To be fair, she made the battery acid comment on a show called "heresy" where comedians say inappropriate things. And the show was cancelled, and there was a backlash. I don't think her comment was OK - but its not correct to say that there was no reaction.

In America, half the country thinks that the other half are a clear danger to democracy. And that some people are deliberately stirring up that half and inciting them to violence with dangerous and irresponsible rhetoric. All the while trying to restrict the free speech of the decent citizens.
And the other half thinks the exact same thing about the first half.

But its not even far left V far right. Even generally moderate/reasonable people seem to be caught up in this.

@Emmanuelll

"Where did you get this information about the shooter 'not liking' Trump"

FFS he tried to kill Trump is that not information enough that he probably didn't like him and probably wasn't besties with Trump!!!

I really can't carry on further discussions in an alternate reality.

It doesn't need to be a big war. It could just be as simple as people moving to other areas/other states where they don't feel outnumbered by those with opposing political beliefs. Until suddenly almost all the blue people are in one area and all the red people are in another. Its not at all healthy though.

No, don't be disingenuous and try to slip in sly comments blaming the 'loony left who poses a threat to society' for this - you know what you're doing.

You're just making stuff up. Mentally ill people who are having some sort of episode don't do it because they like or dislike someone.

@biscuitandcake

"But it's not even far left V far right. Even generally moderate/reasonable people seem to be caught up in this."

Because politics is becoming increasingly polarised and entrenched in part aided by the media and social media.

He's picked ex US Marine JD Vance as his running mate who is very secptical on support for the war in Ukraine.

https://archive.ph/rpawV

By committing to a defensive strategy, Ukraine can preserve its precious military manpower, stop the bleeding and provide time for negotiations to commence. But this would require both the American and Ukrainian leadership to accept that Mr. Zelensky’s stated goal for the war — a return to 1991 boundaries — is fantastical.
The White House has said time and again that it can’t negotiate with President Vladimir Putin of Russia. This is absurd. The Biden administration has no viable plan for the Ukrainians to win this war. The sooner Americans confront this truth, the sooner we can fix this mess and broker for peace.

I agree that not liking someone must be a prerequisite for a planned attempted assassination. But I also think mental illness of some degree must be as well. I don’t like Trump, I’ve never thought about shooting him.

Europe is also fully aware if they let Putin overun Ukraine, then the surrounding countries are no longer safe.
Why do you think Poland is recruiting?
https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/focus/20240521-poland-steps-up-military-recruitment-in-preparation-for-potential-war-with-russia
I dont know if you remember your history, but the steps to WW2 were very similar.
And similarly, there were those who preferred appeasment, till it was too late.
My grandfather was from Eastern Europe and in his official capacity he warned Chamberlain against appeasment and allowing his country to be invaded giving Hitler resources for his war.
He ended up working with Churchill instead but not before the DM tried to ruin him because of their support for Mosely, and not before Hitler invaded Poland and kicked off WW2.
I think history is to be learned from, not repeated because of a narrow scope, or in Trumps case, a personal agenda and errant corruption and stupidity.

Add to that the "comments" from attention seeking former "classmates", none of them friends of the shooter and probably were part of the bullying brigade; now acting like they knew him. Hogwash and sadly it happens with every tragedy.

You would think people would be able to see through these attention hogs, but I guess there truly is one born every minute.

Shameless.

I dont disagree that mental illness may have played a part (but we will never truly know because the shooter is dead)

But to take your comment of "I don’t like Trump, I’ve never thought about shooting him" and instead have "I don't like Trump and I have thought about shooting him" - then you have a politically motivated potentially mentally ill shooter.

To be fair she has plenty of time on her hands these days and nobody takes her seriously in the UK so heading off to Milwaukee probably makes sense to her. At least there she just might find someone willing to listen to her.

She's escaped!

Is that actually real 😮

@Omlettes

"I dont know if you remember your history, but the steps to WW2 were very similar."

This is a very illustrative comment, as too many posters on this topic are limited to and blinded by their GCSE History knowledge of Hitler and appeasement.

The Russian military have been badly mauled by their invasion of Ukraine which they thought would be over in a matter of weeks. After that experience I can't see them wanting to militarily attack a larger and a NATO country.

Far easier, cheaper and more effective to fight them in the grey zone.

@cupcaske123

"She's escaped!"

Bless her - she needs a break and to be around people who might actually tolerate her and possibly even listen to her.

🤣 I’d tell him to sling his hook. 🤷‍♀️

Sadly yes.

I'd say long term Russian intelligence spend has produced many strange fruit the most powerful of which is they have an assett and a compliant sidekick a breath's away from being President of the USA. WTAF - the world has gone stark raving mad. I will never forgetythe Helsinki Summit - when Trump got rid of his translator and went one on one with Putin and his translator only in room. What did they talk about ?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/29/trump-russia-asset-claims-former-kgb-spy-new-book