To think that dogs shouldn't be in toilets?

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I'm currently camping.

There's signs on the toilet / shower block door clearly indicating "No Dogs". Not small signs. Very obvious.

Went for a shower first thing this morning and a woman brought a dog into the toilet next to me. It poked its head under the gap and had a sniff. I just ignored it.

Took my daughter an hour later and whilst I'm waiting for her, another woman brings another dog in. This time, thinking maybe she has missed the sign, I said, very politely and calmly "Oh it's no dogs in here".

She immediately became defensive, saying there's no one else to look after him (there's a fence outside she could have tied him to) and that he would "cry" if left outside. Errm, so what? Dogs whine. It's not the end of the world.

AIBU to think that if the signs say "no dogs" then it means "no dogs" and not, "Well ok your dog can come in because it might whine if left alone for a minute"?

What twisting?

That seems to be the basics, and the one I forgot too, that people haaaaaaaate the idea that dog owners generally prioritise their own dog over random humans. Particularly the ones still in larval form.

I've made my points.
I'm off to gloat about how it's not coming home.....😬

Nope. If you want to make your point you can.

I did.

We all seem to have missed it. Good points are worth reiterating.

Never! Justice for obeying signs 😂

I think the fault here is the campsite. Either it is dog friendly or it isn't. If I had a dog and went solo camping, I would be quite annoyed at having to turn around and go home because I couldn't"t take my dog in the toilets.
Because it seems that this would be the only way to keep my dog safe and avoid being hated by everybody.

Oh good is footing-the-ball finished now?

Is normal tv resuming?

Can I stop finding goady threads to fight about on the internet to liven my boring Sunday work shift of boringness?

Huzzah.

I think this is the heart of the issue too.

It’s perfectly ok for an establishment to decide it isn’t dog friendly; but to advertise and lure campers in as being dog friendly then make a facility that it is perfectly reasonable to expect campers will need access to on a regular basis throughout their stay not dog friendly is just perverse. It’s like allowing people to check in at the airport with hand luggage declared but then not allowing them to board the plane with it.

Threads like this make me really, really, really wonder why dog ownership has increased so much in the past few years, when the expectations of dog owners (who are now expected to ensure perfect safety at all times) seem to be so much higher than they were even a decade ago.

Like, you can’t leave a dog in a car except under very restricted circumstances. Can’t leave them at home alone except for very short periods. Can’t leave them tied up outside a shop or toilet without disapproval. Can’t allow them outside if the weather is the tiniest bit hot. Holiday locations often don’t allow dogs to be left in the accommodation at all, even for short periods.

It just sounds like a nightmare, especially now that we have climate change which is bringing more frequent heat waves than we used to get, and wetter muddier weather whenever it isn’t hot (resulting in wet dog smells and muddy paws whenever dogs are brought into indoor locations like toilets and cafes).

The fact that the expectations around dog safety and the general sense of paranoia has increased so much even while so many more people own dogs, is no doubt the main reason why we’re all increasingly expected to put up with dogs in shops, dining venues, workplaces and now apparently toilets.

I am rather hoping that we are at Peak Dog, and that many of these dogs will not get replaced when the time comes.

Why would there not be an issue with animals indoors in communal spaces? People shouldn’t have to share space with dogs unless, like in the street or the woods etc, there’s enough space for dogs to be kept well away.

If people are scared or wary of dogs, or just don’t like them, they have every right to expect dog-free places unless the situation is one in which dogs are specifically allowed.

It’s called respecting animal welfare, not paranoia or excessive expectations.

I'm at peak dog. Can't be arsed with the responsibility after this one. I want spontaneous nights away and not doing all of the things you mentioned. But it's right to do all the things you've mentioned. Dogs are a danger.

I quite agree. But then this was a facility within a dog friendly campsite. And there are plenty of dog free places to eat.

I don’t understand how some people don’t seem to grasp that a lot of people are very anxious around dogs (before anyone jumps on me… I don’t mean myself, but I have several friends who are). A sign saying “no dogs” means they think they can relax for a few minutes. Some people even chose places on this kind of basis, so that they’re less stressed. Let’s please respect that!

Jeez. That’s revealing.

Because dogs and humans have always had a special rapport and many people love them and get great joy from them.

There are all sorts of standards that have changed over the years to do with welfare generally, such as corporal punishment in schools . We are more enlightened which is why the way dogs are treated has also evolved.

But it says no dogs in the facility. Or is that just a redundant rule that can be ignored?

We’d probably have better standards of welfare if society had fewer, better-cared-for dogs.

The huge increase in dog ownership in the past few years seems to have been among people who would probably be better off not having them and do not do a good job of training them.

ETA: I think it would be ideal if dog ownership was mostly about working dogs, farms etc. and the kind of families where someone is pretty much always at home and they don’t really “go anywhere” very often other than naturally dog friendly places.

My uncle and aunt are like this - they live on the edge of a town and their whole life is about their garden and shooting and rural type hobbies. They don’t really go to non-dog type places like restaurants and travelling much, and when they do their dogs are left at home.

The problem is that dog ownership has become so common among people who also expect to have active social lives, travel, eat out regularly and so on. When you have that sort of trend, combined with parallel safety-related trends that make it increasingly hard to leave dogs unattended for any length of time, it’s going to create clashes. In particular, wet doggy smells in indoor public spaces really are the worst, and the UK is a wet country and seems to be getting wetter. Not an easy combination.

So yes, I’d be happy to see a lot less dog ownership in the future.

It's not coming home.
Spain won and were very deserving of that win.

A facility within a dog friendly venue - and a facility which all campers will need access to.

Dog's don't need to use the bathroom the way people do.

This. I am a dog owner but since lock down the dog situation is just nuts. People humanising them and not really knowing the first thing about them. The dog will be fine tied up outside a toilet block for a couple minutes. Not everyone wants wants other peoples stinky dogs invading their space!

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Yes but as has been discussed at dons length in this thread there are logistical issues when their owner needs to if alone.
I just think the campsite hadn’t thought it through.