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To think that dogs shouldn't be in toilets?

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LittlePearDrop · 13/07/2024 08:28

I'm currently camping.

There's signs on the toilet / shower block door clearly indicating "No Dogs". Not small signs. Very obvious.

Went for a shower first thing this morning and a woman brought a dog into the toilet next to me. It poked its head under the gap and had a sniff. I just ignored it.

Took my daughter an hour later and whilst I'm waiting for her, another woman brings another dog in. This time, thinking maybe she has missed the sign, I said, very politely and calmly "Oh it's no dogs in here".

She immediately became defensive, saying there's no one else to look after him (there's a fence outside she could have tied him to) and that he would "cry" if left outside. Errm, so what? Dogs whine. It's not the end of the world.

AIBU to think that if the signs say "no dogs" then it means "no dogs" and not, "Well ok your dog can come in because it might whine if left alone for a minute"?

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PuttingDownRoots · 14/07/2024 15:21

Its quite common not be be able to take them into the shop, or showers, or the bar (but allowed in the beer garden). Surely you do need a plan for this?

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Still no tbf, too precious!

MyBirthdayMonth · 14/07/2024 15:25

Werweisswohin · 14/07/2024 09:36

Or to assume dogs are welcome just because there's no sign saying 'no dogs'. Surely it's obvious dogs aren't welcome in some places without even needing a sign?

You'd think so, but dog people are not always the greatest at spotting the Bleeding Obvious.

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 14/07/2024 15:27

ImNotReallySpartacus · 13/07/2024 11:54

I don't think they are all inadequate. Some are just plain lazy, could put in the work with the human relationships but don't want to.

Reading some of the posts on here from the dog hating frothers there's no way I'd put in any effort with them. I can't imagine having to associate with them let alone try and be friends

Greenlittecat · 14/07/2024 15:29

Tricho · 14/07/2024 15:18

My dog was 1500 quid and is a dought after breed high in thefts. Am I fuck leaving him outside for your benefit.

That's nice.

If there is a sign that says "no dogs" do you ignore it?

adorablecat · 14/07/2024 15:32

WiddlinDiddlin · 14/07/2024 04:05

Dog theft is a HUGE thing, not that you'd know if you don't own a dog, but its big business.

Recognisable pedigrees particularly the popular breeds are stolen to be sold, or bred from.
Certain crossbreeds will also be stolen - lurchers for example for illegal hunting and breeding - poodle mixes for breeding or sales.

Some steal dogs to abuse them, use them as bait dogs and all can be stolen in order to ransome back to the owner.

Its a difficult crime to police, as whilst dogs are property, unlike most property they can also run away by themselves, get lost, bolt in a panic etc. Stolen dogs can be the other end of the country in a matter of a day. Too much pressure on known theives and the dogs just end up dead in a ditch somewhere.

A friends lurcher was stolen - and recovered 3 days later, 600 miles away, having been sold at least twice in that time, and from the state of her, someone had tried to work her as well.

Another friends lurcher nicked from over her garden fence - stolen for breeding we think. He was found dead in a hedge two days later, shot in the head, almost certainly because he was neutered and ear-tattooed.

A lovely lurcher I was thinking about adopting was stolen from the rescue kennels two days before I could take him - planned operation that involved at least three people putting out security cameras, cutting gates with bolt cutters, scoping the rescue out in the days/weeks before hand... not an opportunistic theft!

One of my dogs was snatched from outside a shop, I'd left him with a friend who sold the Big Issue (elderly chap and not capable of running after anyone) so I could go in the shopping centre that didn't allow dogs.

As I was heading to the exit doors, a young lad was running my way with my very panicked dog. I am so lucky he came into the shopping centre at that exact moment and obviously had no clue who I was...

Without thinking, I just grabbed the lead off him and started to yell at him to fuck off and he legged it... or I'd never have seen my dog again.

When I got back to my friend the poor guy was in tears asking everyone if they'd seen the lad, could they look, describing my dog and SO relieved I'd got him. The theif had chatted to him for a bit and then without warning shoved him over, snatched the lead and run off!

Dogs are stolen, daily, and from the nicest of places. Cars are broken into to take dogs, houses are broken into to take dogs. Leaving a dog tied up and unattended is just unthinkable these days for any responsible owner.

But even if it weren't - the owner is liable for whatever the dog does. If someone claims my dog bit them or lunged at them or barked at them and made them stumble and fall, even tied up... I am liable, I risk court, fines, dog control orders or even a destruction order on the dog. A dog without its owner, in public, is automatically 'out of control' because the owner is not present and for a dog to be 'dangerously out of control....' they only need to give someone 'reasonable apprehension of injury', they do not actually HAVE to bite someone!

Kids are a huge risk to tied up dogs, and at risk from them - I have lost track of how many times I've seen kids approach a tied up dog and try to hug it, stroke it, kick it, throw things at it or untie it and let it go. I've seen adults do similar things, I've even seen adults TELL their kids to go up to a strange, unattended dog and fuss or hug it.

So yep, if there are only two options - leave my dog somewhere unsafe, unattended, or take my dog somewhere my dog is not really supposed to be, at the potential minor inconvenience to a small number of people, but no actual risk to anyones safety... I know which I'll pick. That doesn't mean I parade my dogs around places they're not allowed, I plan and avoid having to do so on the whole but sometimes life puts you in a position where you have two crappy options and you have to pick one of them.

There is a third option: pick a dog which can be left alone at home for a few hours.

Werweisswohin · 14/07/2024 15:33

Tricho · 14/07/2024 15:18

My dog was 1500 quid and is a dought after breed high in thefts. Am I fuck leaving him outside for your benefit.

You spending s silly amount on a dog doesn't give you a right to enter dog free zones.

Werweisswohin · 14/07/2024 15:34

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 14/07/2024 15:27

Reading some of the posts on here from the dog hating frothers there's no way I'd put in any effort with them. I can't imagine having to associate with them let alone try and be friends

Why does expecting dog owners to follow rules make someone a frother exactly?

Werweisswohin · 14/07/2024 15:35

Tricho · 14/07/2024 15:24

Still no tbf, too precious!

He's still not allowed in an area that says no dogs.

MyBirthdayMonth · 14/07/2024 15:36

Tricho · 14/07/2024 15:18

My dog was 1500 quid and is a dought after breed high in thefts. Am I fuck leaving him outside for your benefit.

That's what insurance is for surely?

WiddlinDiddlin · 14/07/2024 15:45

adorablecat · 14/07/2024 15:32

There is a third option: pick a dog which can be left alone at home for a few hours.

How do you do that when camping or generally on holiday with the dog? Camp for a few hours at a time then pop home for the dog?

Maybe we should invent a dog that, with a remote control, can be switched off, disappeared out of existance in inconvenient moments, and then switch back on again when thats ok.

Or a time machine so we can just rewind time until whatever series of events that caused us to need to take a dog where a dog shouldn't be, hasn't yet happened. That sounds super practical, I await the invention of either with bated breath!

Having seen the vile attitudes to dogs on this thread there is absolutely no fucking way I'd leave mine unsupervised anywhere the general public could get to them. They're clearly not safe unless by my side or inside my house.

WiddlinDiddlin · 14/07/2024 15:46

MyBirthdayMonth · 14/07/2024 15:36

That's what insurance is for surely?

Of course.

In the same way that a life insurance policy pay out is a perfectly acceptable replacement for a loved one who has died.

HighHeelsOnCobblestones · 14/07/2024 15:49

henlake7 · 14/07/2024 13:42

Allowed or not if I didnt have anywhere safe to leave my dog Id take it into the toilet with me. Thing is I actually care about my dog....I dont care about some random stranger I will never see again, so dog wins every time.

I mean if a dog in the stall next to you is so offensive I can always just pee al fresco with him.....maybe behind your tent!?😆

Sure, pee behind my tent. Better than a dog in the toilet next to DS2. Or I’ll send him to pee behind yours because he sure as hell wouldn’t be able to use the toilet if there’s dog in there. Not without risking a serious asthma attack. I’d rather see you having a pee behind my tent than my child blue and in the back of an ambulance.

He couldn’t go on a recent school trip because of this. They were supposed to visit a dog free part of an otherwise dog friendly place but no guarantee dog owners wouldn’t just ignore the signs so too risky. Now I see just how many dog owners think “no dogs” signs don’t apply to them, I think we made the right decision albeit a sad and frustrating one to make.

ThursdayTomorrow · 14/07/2024 15:50

We are currently in a climate emergency and dogs are very bad for the environment. With the notable exception of assistance and working dogs, no one should be getting a dog in the first place - they are a luxury the planet cannot afford.

Greenlittecat · 14/07/2024 15:55

WiddlinDiddlin · 14/07/2024 15:45

How do you do that when camping or generally on holiday with the dog? Camp for a few hours at a time then pop home for the dog?

Maybe we should invent a dog that, with a remote control, can be switched off, disappeared out of existance in inconvenient moments, and then switch back on again when thats ok.

Or a time machine so we can just rewind time until whatever series of events that caused us to need to take a dog where a dog shouldn't be, hasn't yet happened. That sounds super practical, I await the invention of either with bated breath!

Having seen the vile attitudes to dogs on this thread there is absolutely no fucking way I'd leave mine unsupervised anywhere the general public could get to them. They're clearly not safe unless by my side or inside my house.

Oooh this has obviously struck a nerve.

Just don't bring your dog where it says "no dogs". No need for any new inventions 🙄

parkrun500club · 14/07/2024 15:59

ThursdayTomorrow · 14/07/2024 15:50

We are currently in a climate emergency and dogs are very bad for the environment. With the notable exception of assistance and working dogs, no one should be getting a dog in the first place - they are a luxury the planet cannot afford.

There's a massive Venn diagram cross-over between dog owners and SUV drivers so I think you can safely say they don't give a monkeys about the climate crisis.

Ukhotelsareshit · 14/07/2024 16:01

@Calliopespa as it happens, dogs are allowed in Claridges. Including in the toilets🥰
Whilst I agree that dog owners should check exactly how “dog friendly” an establishment is before visiting (because in my experience, it’s often not very friendly at all!) if you are massively phobic or allergic you can also book an establishment which is dog free. It works both ways.

adorablecat · 14/07/2024 16:02

WiddlinDiddlin · 14/07/2024 15:45

How do you do that when camping or generally on holiday with the dog? Camp for a few hours at a time then pop home for the dog?

Maybe we should invent a dog that, with a remote control, can be switched off, disappeared out of existance in inconvenient moments, and then switch back on again when thats ok.

Or a time machine so we can just rewind time until whatever series of events that caused us to need to take a dog where a dog shouldn't be, hasn't yet happened. That sounds super practical, I await the invention of either with bated breath!

Having seen the vile attitudes to dogs on this thread there is absolutely no fucking way I'd leave mine unsupervised anywhere the general public could get to them. They're clearly not safe unless by my side or inside my house.

The off-switch is a brilliant idea, is anybody working on it? Maybe they can also invent a variant for kids.

FinalCeleryScheme · 14/07/2024 16:04

WiddlinDiddlin · 14/07/2024 15:46

Of course.

In the same way that a life insurance policy pay out is a perfectly acceptable replacement for a loved one who has died.

Seriously? You’re comparing a claim for the purchase price of a new dog with life cover to allow surviving spouses and other dependents to be financially more secure after the death of a family member?

Don’t you think a better comparison would be with insurance for a replacement phone, or lost luggage or damage to a car?

Bonkers. Absolutely bonkers.

WiddlinDiddlin · 14/07/2024 16:12

Yes, seriously. To dog owners our dogs ARE family members. The insurance payout for my dog who dropped dead does not bring her back! Bonkers, absolutely fucking bonkers to suggest it would.

Hence my rather flippant response really.

I actually have zero skin in this game as I don't go camping, and when I did go out and about, it was with an assistance dog. Who can go anywhere at all (well, not an operating theatre and a tiny handful of other sterile environments)... no matter how allergic or phobic someone else might be.

Justforthisthread24 · 14/07/2024 16:16

@FinalCeleryScheme having had my dog stolen, I can sure you, for those of us that love our dogs, it is NOTHING like lost luggage or damage to a car. Do you worry about what is happening to your luggage when it’s gone? Who is feeding it or if it’s being harmed? Or how your car feels whilst it’s being repaired? Of course not. Despite the dog haters on this thread, a dog is sentient being. It’s not a car or luggage. Obviously.

kitsuneghost · 14/07/2024 16:19

If you have just washed then you really don't want a dog near you as soon as you get out.
It's like washing your hair and a seagull pooping on it 2 min later.

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 14/07/2024 16:20

Werweisswohin · 14/07/2024 15:34

Why does expecting dog owners to follow rules make someone a frother exactly?

I’m not talking about following the rules as you well know. I’m talking about the dog haters who don’t care if something happens to them, the idiots who think dog owners are ‘inadequate’ (hello pot, meet kettle) and the general haters who converge on a thread whenever they hear the dog klaxon.

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 14/07/2024 16:22

I’m so sorry about your dog @Justforthisthread24, I hope he or she is found safe and well 💐