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Why does this country have very little compassion for the victims of grooming gangs?

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Louisaaa · 12/07/2024 21:55

Firstly this is not a post about race! I understand men of all races have been involved in grooming gangs! This is mainly about why the British authorities and public have very little sympathy or will to try and solve the problem.

I find it horrendous how so many young girls have been exposed to the most horrific acts of rape, gang rape, murder, forced pregnancies throughout the UK over the decades etc...

Some of these girls where as young as 11!! Most where under 16 and grew up in care homes or came from very deprived backgrounds. Most where white.

When I see all the cases of this happening throughout the UK and hear how the POLICE, SOCIAL SERVICES, LOCAL COUNCIL and media gave it very little attention... Some of the documents showed that the council in Rotherham openly told it's staff to stop mentioning it in reports. The police would often lie blame with the victims and said it needed to tread carefully due to racial tension, and the social services would describe the men as their bfs..

  • a girl of 16 had been raped by over 300 men before she turned 16
  • some of them would disappear from care homes and where locked in flats for weeks where men would come rape them
  • some girls disappeared completely (thought murdered
  • some of them where trafficked around the country to be raped by other men
  • some girls murdered
  • 1400 girls raped in Rotherham under 16 and only 28 men have been convicted!!!

It shocks how people are still scared to talk about this or have no interest to do so... But when a woman is wolf whistled in the street.... Well conversations need to be had.

Is this because the children are white working class?
The majority of offenders in the cases are predominantly British Pakistani?
The children been brought up in care?

I do feel class played more a role, I feel if they were middle/upper class the authorities would have stamped it out immediately.

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GKD · 13/07/2024 18:30

Louisaaa · 13/07/2024 18:08

I honestly don't think groomers/rapists are going to change their viewpoint. they know what they're doing is vile ... What are you going to say to them in education?

Don't groom children because it's wrong? They know all of that...

I would just say anyone caught of grooming/rape should have a mandatory sentence of X years with no possibility of parole.

I'd say that should also be relevant for other serious crimes like murder ..

However I don't think this will happen.

It’s @ToadOfTheThreads not me who wants to educate an entire community to capture the minority of rapists/abusers in their midst.

I agree with you hence my post above that basically details educating people to prevent children being abused and those who are abusing.

GKD · 13/07/2024 18:34

@ToadOfTheThreads anyone who abuses ppl will have a huge lack of empathy, telling them their beliefs/actions are racist isn’t going to change anything.

They won’t give a fuck.

And that stands for every group you can think of.

ToadOfTheThreads · 13/07/2024 18:38

GKD · 13/07/2024 18:30

It’s @ToadOfTheThreads not me who wants to educate an entire community to capture the minority of rapists/abusers in their midst.

I agree with you hence my post above that basically details educating people to prevent children being abused and those who are abusing.

Do you disagree with PSHE, the adverts, etc, to try to stop VAWG in general, or do you just disagree with raising awareness about racially and religiously aggravated crimes against white/black girls by those softer means?

Do you disagree with hate crime punishments in general or do you just disagree if white girls are being recognised as subject to these crimes?

Louisaaa · 13/07/2024 19:04

ToadOfTheThreads · 13/07/2024 18:38

Do you disagree with PSHE, the adverts, etc, to try to stop VAWG in general, or do you just disagree with raising awareness about racially and religiously aggravated crimes against white/black girls by those softer means?

Do you disagree with hate crime punishments in general or do you just disagree if white girls are being recognised as subject to these crimes?

Look at the reports into the grooming/rapes... When many Pakistani men where raping them they were calling them.

  • white slags
-white whores
  • white trash
-Gorah

White girls are recognised as the victims of British Pakistani grooming/raping in reports as that's who they are primarily targeting and making racial slurs when raping and torturing them.

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GKD · 13/07/2024 19:08

Do you agree in actions to stop VAWG/racism?

because it doesn’t sound like it.

It seems to me you solely want to focus on a a single community on a preconception you have of their beliefs.

You seem to think they are solely responsible for CSA and not focus on the perpetrators and patterns that lead to the crimes.

simplistic and narrow thinking.

ToadOfTheThreads · 13/07/2024 19:22

GKD · 13/07/2024 19:08

Do you agree in actions to stop VAWG/racism?

because it doesn’t sound like it.

It seems to me you solely want to focus on a a single community on a preconception you have of their beliefs.

You seem to think they are solely responsible for CSA and not focus on the perpetrators and patterns that lead to the crimes.

simplistic and narrow thinking.

What do you mean? This whole thread is about racism/VAWG. It’s about taking actions to stop racially and religiously aggravated violence against women and girls, particularly white girls who are not appropriately recognised as victims of these crimes, because of prevalent preconceptions about who is incapable of being a perpetrator or a victim of such crimes purely on the basis of their race and religion (or lack of).

Gummybear23 · 13/07/2024 21:43

Young Boys tend to be groomed by white female teachers.

Girls also are groomed mainly by white male teachers.

Gummybear23 · 13/07/2024 21:46

A 2020 report by the Centre of Expertise on Child Sexual Abuse stated that "In the records of defendants prosecuted for child sexual abuse offences" among those in which ethnic background was recorded "the vast majority were white (89%); 6% were Asian, 3% were Black, 1% were from mixed ethnic backgrounds.

Gummybear23 · 13/07/2024 21:47

Louisaaa · 13/07/2024 19:04

Look at the reports into the grooming/rapes... When many Pakistani men where raping them they were calling them.

  • white slags
-white whores
  • white trash
-Gorah

White girls are recognised as the victims of British Pakistani grooming/raping in reports as that's who they are primarily targeting and making racial slurs when raping and torturing them.

A 2020 report by the Centre of Expertise on Child Sexual Abuse stated that "In the records of defendants prosecuted for child sexual abuse offences" among those in which ethnic background was recorded "the vast majority were white (89%); 6% were Asian, 3% were Black, 1% were from mixed ethnic backgrounds.

ToadOfTheThreads · 13/07/2024 21:50

What are the stats for racially and religiously aggravated child sexual abuse gangs?

That’s what this thread is about.

MixedCouple2 · 13/07/2024 21:54

Where are the parents and care givers. The country needs to tackle the issue there. My BFF at school was knocked up at 14 due to daddy issues and a very abusive mother, they are white. So the issue of broken families/homes qnd abuse in these families needs to be tackled. Was heartbreaking to see her be groomed by a graduate (18 and white) give her the attention she craved from a man! No father figure in her life and 14 ended up pregnant.
She ended up with 4 babies from 3 different men (all white and much older then her) by age 19!

The issue is massive and needs to be tackled. Why are these girls and teens in such horrid homes no social services to investigate these broken and abusive homes.
Authorities need to get to the root cause the families/homes these kids come from

Gummybear23 · 13/07/2024 21:54

ToadOfTheThreads · 13/07/2024 21:50

What are the stats for racially and religiously aggravated child sexual abuse gangs?

That’s what this thread is about.

It encompasses all child sex abusers.

The thread is about abuse.
All child abuse is abhorrent and perpetrators should be stopped.

We need to start with statistics amd assess the high risk areas.
Most likely to be a family member. Then
In school, where the child is suppose to feel the safest?

MixedCouple2 · 13/07/2024 21:56

Gummybear23 · 13/07/2024 21:46

A 2020 report by the Centre of Expertise on Child Sexual Abuse stated that "In the records of defendants prosecuted for child sexual abuse offences" among those in which ethnic background was recorded "the vast majority were white (89%); 6% were Asian, 3% were Black, 1% were from mixed ethnic backgrounds.

Yes I saw these stats also. The vaaaaast majority are English Caucasian.
Thats been my experience where I live. Groomers and peados around where I grew up, west country, are white males.

ToadOfTheThreads · 13/07/2024 21:56

It’s specifically about what are known as “grooming gangs”, a name coined to describe a particular pattern of racially and religiously aggravated child sexual abuse.

Gummybear23 · 13/07/2024 21:57

At my school 4 students got pregnant at 15 by white males over the age of 18.

They girls were either white or mixed race.

TheBossOfMe · 13/07/2024 22:12

ToadOfTheThreads · 13/07/2024 21:56

It’s specifically about what are known as “grooming gangs”, a name coined to describe a particular pattern of racially and religiously aggravated child sexual abuse.

What are you basing that claimed entomology on?

DoreenonTill8 · 13/07/2024 22:12

ToadOfTheThreads · 13/07/2024 21:56

It’s specifically about what are known as “grooming gangs”, a name coined to describe a particular pattern of racially and religiously aggravated child sexual abuse.

@Gummybear23 reiterating this 🙄 LOTS of schools have teen pregnancies. This threads about grooming gangs. Where your school friends abused by grooming gangs?

ToadOfTheThreads · 13/07/2024 22:18

TheBossOfMe · 13/07/2024 22:12

What are you basing that claimed entomology on?

When was the term “grooming gang” first used? What pattern of crime/s did it describe?

DoreenonTill8 · 13/07/2024 22:22

Gummybear23 · 13/07/2024 21:47

A 2020 report by the Centre of Expertise on Child Sexual Abuse stated that "In the records of defendants prosecuted for child sexual abuse offences" among those in which ethnic background was recorded "the vast majority were white (89%); 6% were Asian, 3% were Black, 1% were from mixed ethnic backgrounds.

I get so frustrated when people use that gotchaof 'a ha only x amounts prosecuted so'... are you then rape deniers? If no ones found guilty, then there's not been a rape?

Gummybear23 · 13/07/2024 22:36

DoreenonTill8 · 13/07/2024 22:22

I get so frustrated when people use that gotchaof 'a ha only x amounts prosecuted so'... are you then rape deniers? If no ones found guilty, then there's not been a rape?

Edited

It is not a gotcha. I believe we need to
Focus resources on the groups targeted. Children from neglected homes.
This reduces risks for those children.
Also find the gangs amd imprison them.

I am also concerned about the teachers grooming children.
Children who are not necessarily from neglected homes are targeted.

The ethnicity tends to be white.
Males and females.

ToadOfTheThreads · 13/07/2024 22:38

This thread is about grooming gangs.

ToadOfTheThreads · 13/07/2024 22:43

Its exasperating. The title of this thread is “Why does this country have very little compassion for the victims of grooming gangs?”.

A fair number of posters are determined to change the subject to something else. Bundling in incest and teachers abusing pupils, or talking about negligent parents, or local authority care, anything but focus compassionately upon the victims of grooming gangs.

The answer to the title can be found in the behaviour of these posters.

Louisaaa · 13/07/2024 22:46

Gummybear23 · 13/07/2024 21:57

At my school 4 students got pregnant at 15 by white males over the age of 18.

They girls were either white or mixed race.

Really? Where they gang raped by different men and sexually trafficked across the country? Did you know any of them that where murdered? Did you know any of them receive death threats against their families if they didn't agree to be passed around to different men....

Big difference.

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Louisaaa · 13/07/2024 22:47

MixedCouple2 · 13/07/2024 21:56

Yes I saw these stats also. The vaaaaast majority are English Caucasian.
Thats been my experience where I live. Groomers and peados around where I grew up, west country, are white males.

I'm sure it has..... Interesting username you have 😂

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Louisaaa · 13/07/2024 22:48

MixedCouple2 · 13/07/2024 21:54

Where are the parents and care givers. The country needs to tackle the issue there. My BFF at school was knocked up at 14 due to daddy issues and a very abusive mother, they are white. So the issue of broken families/homes qnd abuse in these families needs to be tackled. Was heartbreaking to see her be groomed by a graduate (18 and white) give her the attention she craved from a man! No father figure in her life and 14 ended up pregnant.
She ended up with 4 babies from 3 different men (all white and much older then her) by age 19!

The issue is massive and needs to be tackled. Why are these girls and teens in such horrid homes no social services to investigate these broken and abusive homes.
Authorities need to get to the root cause the families/homes these kids come from

They've been working on the "whys" for over 40 years....

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