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Why does this country have very little compassion for the victims of grooming gangs?

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Louisaaa · 12/07/2024 21:55

Firstly this is not a post about race! I understand men of all races have been involved in grooming gangs! This is mainly about why the British authorities and public have very little sympathy or will to try and solve the problem.

I find it horrendous how so many young girls have been exposed to the most horrific acts of rape, gang rape, murder, forced pregnancies throughout the UK over the decades etc...

Some of these girls where as young as 11!! Most where under 16 and grew up in care homes or came from very deprived backgrounds. Most where white.

When I see all the cases of this happening throughout the UK and hear how the POLICE, SOCIAL SERVICES, LOCAL COUNCIL and media gave it very little attention... Some of the documents showed that the council in Rotherham openly told it's staff to stop mentioning it in reports. The police would often lie blame with the victims and said it needed to tread carefully due to racial tension, and the social services would describe the men as their bfs..

  • a girl of 16 had been raped by over 300 men before she turned 16
  • some of them would disappear from care homes and where locked in flats for weeks where men would come rape them
  • some girls disappeared completely (thought murdered
  • some of them where trafficked around the country to be raped by other men
  • some girls murdered
  • 1400 girls raped in Rotherham under 16 and only 28 men have been convicted!!!

It shocks how people are still scared to talk about this or have no interest to do so... But when a woman is wolf whistled in the street.... Well conversations need to be had.

Is this because the children are white working class?
The majority of offenders in the cases are predominantly British Pakistani?
The children been brought up in care?

I do feel class played more a role, I feel if they were middle/upper class the authorities would have stamped it out immediately.

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Louisaaa · 13/07/2024 22:50

Gummybear23 · 13/07/2024 21:43

Young Boys tend to be groomed by white female teachers.

Girls also are groomed mainly by white male teachers.

You really dislike white people don't you? Doing everything you can to redirect the question. 😂🤷🏼‍♀️

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Evilspiritgin · 13/07/2024 22:51

Gummybear23 · 13/07/2024 21:47

A 2020 report by the Centre of Expertise on Child Sexual Abuse stated that "In the records of defendants prosecuted for child sexual abuse offences" among those in which ethnic background was recorded "the vast majority were white (89%); 6% were Asian, 3% were Black, 1% were from mixed ethnic backgrounds.

considering that the percentage of people that are white in this England / Wales is 81.7% approx 48.7 million people , obviously the vast majority’s going to be white.

The percentage of Asian is 9.3% approx 5.5 million

im actually quite astounded you wouldn’t realise this glaringly obvious fact

Louisaaa · 13/07/2024 22:52

Gummybear23 · 13/07/2024 21:47

A 2020 report by the Centre of Expertise on Child Sexual Abuse stated that "In the records of defendants prosecuted for child sexual abuse offences" among those in which ethnic background was recorded "the vast majority were white (89%); 6% were Asian, 3% were Black, 1% were from mixed ethnic backgrounds.

The reason why the statics are so low for asian is that the local council and police refused to investigate the rapes... All stated in reports

We all know the truth

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Louisaaa · 13/07/2024 22:54

Evilspiritgin · 13/07/2024 22:51

considering that the percentage of people that are white in this England / Wales is 81.7% approx 48.7 million people , obviously the vast majority’s going to be white.

The percentage of Asian is 9.3% approx 5.5 million

im actually quite astounded you wouldn’t realise this glaringly obvious fact

Edited

Hardly any Asian men have been prosecuted die to them not wanting to seem racist....

Over 1400 girls where groomed/raped in Rotherham and less than 30 Pakistani men where prosecuted ...

The stats are way higher for Pakistanis....

I don't use the word Asian.... As it's not Chinese, Thai... It's Pakistanis...

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DoreenonTill8 · 13/07/2024 22:55

Oh quick look over there! SQUIRREL!!
Stop worrying about what this thread was about...xyz happens so your concerns can sail off on the blue yonder!

Evilspiritgin · 13/07/2024 22:58

Louisaaa · 13/07/2024 22:54

Hardly any Asian men have been prosecuted die to them not wanting to seem racist....

Over 1400 girls where groomed/raped in Rotherham and less than 30 Pakistani men where prosecuted ...

The stats are way higher for Pakistanis....

I don't use the word Asian.... As it's not Chinese, Thai... It's Pakistanis...

Sorry I completely agree with you, the census date that I quickly read didn’t break down the info

TheBossOfMe · 13/07/2024 23:03

Louisaaa · 13/07/2024 22:54

Hardly any Asian men have been prosecuted die to them not wanting to seem racist....

Over 1400 girls where groomed/raped in Rotherham and less than 30 Pakistani men where prosecuted ...

The stats are way higher for Pakistanis....

I don't use the word Asian.... As it's not Chinese, Thai... It's Pakistanis...

It’s not that simple though. Yes, there were definitely issues around not wanting to be seen as being racist. Although quite frankly, I’m gobsmacked that the police have ever been concerned about that. History suggests otherwise.

Far more worrying IMO is the institutional bias against women. Especially young women (ie girls). They would far rather have suggested that the girls were to blame. Take a look a rape stats in this country. Domestic violence stats.

How about we acknowledge how badly women are let down by the justice system than get wrapped up in race politics.

Louisaaa · 13/07/2024 23:11

TheBossOfMe · 13/07/2024 23:03

It’s not that simple though. Yes, there were definitely issues around not wanting to be seen as being racist. Although quite frankly, I’m gobsmacked that the police have ever been concerned about that. History suggests otherwise.

Far more worrying IMO is the institutional bias against women. Especially young women (ie girls). They would far rather have suggested that the girls were to blame. Take a look a rape stats in this country. Domestic violence stats.

How about we acknowledge how badly women are let down by the justice system than get wrapped up in race politics.

The police openly acknowledged in reports that the fact that the victims were white and rapist non white played a significant role in how they treated the victims....

The most often used terms in reports that the police mentioned in not taking a case forward was....

  • not to stoke racial tensions amongst communities.

Also many of the children that were raped openly stated how many of the rapists would call them

  • white slags
-white whores
  • gorah (term used in a negative way to describe white people)
During them been raped.
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Louisaaa · 13/07/2024 23:13

TheBossOfMe · 13/07/2024 23:03

It’s not that simple though. Yes, there were definitely issues around not wanting to be seen as being racist. Although quite frankly, I’m gobsmacked that the police have ever been concerned about that. History suggests otherwise.

Far more worrying IMO is the institutional bias against women. Especially young women (ie girls). They would far rather have suggested that the girls were to blame. Take a look a rape stats in this country. Domestic violence stats.

How about we acknowledge how badly women are let down by the justice system than get wrapped up in race politics.

The fact of the matter is.... We get wrapped up in race policies whenever a perpetrator is white and victim is non white in any crime, but if it's the other way around than it's to be ignored.

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ToadOfTheThreads · 13/07/2024 23:16

See this is more of ‘here, look at this other thing’.

What is wrong with addressing racist misogyny when the victims are white and the perpetrators are not?

If it was the other way around and it was white men perpetrating racist misogyny against women who were not white, there would be posters turning up in droves to tell us that the race is as much the aggravating factor as the misogyny and we can’t say one is more important than the other.

It is racist to believe only white people can be racist and that white people cannot be victims of racism.

ToadOfTheThreads · 13/07/2024 23:17

X posted

TheBossOfMe · 13/07/2024 23:21

Louisaaa · 13/07/2024 23:13

The fact of the matter is.... We get wrapped up in race policies whenever a perpetrator is white and victim is non white in any crime, but if it's the other way around than it's to be ignored.

If you think that it true, you have no idea whatsoever of what it is to be a person of colour in this country.

Louisaaa · 13/07/2024 23:59

TheBossOfMe · 13/07/2024 23:21

If you think that it true, you have no idea whatsoever of what it is to be a person of colour in this country.

As I've explained in my post white girls as young as 10 were gang raped and openly ignored by the police because they where white.....

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Louisaaa · 14/07/2024 00:02

ToadOfTheThreads · 13/07/2024 23:16

See this is more of ‘here, look at this other thing’.

What is wrong with addressing racist misogyny when the victims are white and the perpetrators are not?

If it was the other way around and it was white men perpetrating racist misogyny against women who were not white, there would be posters turning up in droves to tell us that the race is as much the aggravating factor as the misogyny and we can’t say one is more important than the other.

It is racist to believe only white people can be racist and that white people cannot be victims of racism.

Absolutely! Most people think this way but are too scared to say it in public as they can have their career ruined...

Everyone knows the truth.

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TheBossOfMe · 14/07/2024 00:10

Louisaaa · 13/07/2024 23:59

As I've explained in my post white girls as young as 10 were gang raped and openly ignored by the police because they where white.....

Race wasn’t the only factor. Read the case studies.

But you can’t extrapolate from that what you seem to be suggesting.

IME. All men trump all women in the justice system. Regardless of race. How about starting with that?

Meraas · 14/07/2024 01:01

OP’s agenda becomes clearer now, she’s also
posting about black people’s murder statistics on another thread on AIBU now.

Why the name change for the thread, OP?

MissTrip82 · 14/07/2024 01:24

I find it staggering that anyone believes that police Forces are now dedicated to the anti-racist cause; the evidence of decades suggests otherwise.

All sexual assault of women and children is handled badly by the media, the police and the courts. We live in a patriarchy.

Meraas · 14/07/2024 01:24

Looks like the mask has well and truly slipped

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5119110-praying-for-donald-trump

Louisaaa · 14/07/2024 02:08

Meraas · 14/07/2024 01:24

Someone tried to assassinate Donald Trump.... It's wrong... Even Joe Biden said it was wrong. I support trump. 🤷🏼‍♀️

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Louisaaa · 14/07/2024 02:09

MissTrip82 · 14/07/2024 01:24

I find it staggering that anyone believes that police Forces are now dedicated to the anti-racist cause; the evidence of decades suggests otherwise.

All sexual assault of women and children is handled badly by the media, the police and the courts. We live in a patriarchy.

Hmmmm... But the governments report openly stated race played a role in the polices action???

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MillyNair · 14/07/2024 02:24

Louisaaa · 14/07/2024 00:02

Absolutely! Most people think this way but are too scared to say it in public as they can have their career ruined...

Everyone knows the truth.

Ok Tommy, the game’s up.

ToadOfTheThreads · 14/07/2024 08:25

So if obfuscation and deflection don’t work - ad hominem.

Like clockwork.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 14/07/2024 08:41

You could easily have a campaign which brings to light the fact that thinking of white girls as unclean slags is racist and will not be tolerated and that sexual violence towards girls where race and religion factor will carry a heavier sentence and treated as a hate crime

You could certainly try, but I guarantee that activists would instantly claim the campaign was itself racist if it targeted certain demographics

I do have a problem though with this being pinned on race and especially religion. FWIW I have issues with all organised religion, but this is cultural and it's worth remembering that there's nothing in the Holy Quran - or in any other religious tract come to that - which advocates abusing children

Neapolitanicecream · 14/07/2024 08:54

@Louisaaa well said.
however when I raised the very same issue on mumsnet about a year ago my thread was reported and then deleted. So you’re spot on !!!

ToadOfTheThreads · 14/07/2024 08:59

Puzzledandpissedoff · 14/07/2024 08:41

You could easily have a campaign which brings to light the fact that thinking of white girls as unclean slags is racist and will not be tolerated and that sexual violence towards girls where race and religion factor will carry a heavier sentence and treated as a hate crime

You could certainly try, but I guarantee that activists would instantly claim the campaign was itself racist if it targeted certain demographics

I do have a problem though with this being pinned on race and especially religion. FWIW I have issues with all organised religion, but this is cultural and it's worth remembering that there's nothing in the Holy Quran - or in any other religious tract come to that - which advocates abusing children

The thing is, there is stubborn resistance to acknowledging that people who are not white can be racist and that white people can be racially victimised. So if you had, for example, a ‘bystander campaign’ (you know the kind of thing) where someone said something like “the white slag probably deserved it” and saying “this is racism and it is unacceptable”, it would stop people in their tracks a bit.

I know it is a very small sample, but my brother had a girlfriend from the same ethnic group as the majority of the grooming gangs and she was so overtly racist - about black people, in a way that she didn’t think she was saying/doing anything wrong, I was gobsmacked. Presumably all the anti-racist educational campaigns aren’t penetrating people from certain ethnic groups. Perhaps if a person is raised to believe that they can only be a victim of a certain thing, never a perpetrator, they have a blind spot?

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