Meet the Other Phone. Protection built in.

Meet the Other Phone.
Protection built in.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Late School Start Monday

237 replies

PuttingDownRoots · 11/07/2024 14:40

Primary School has announced that pupils do not have to be in school on Monday until 10am on Monday due to the football. (However it is open from normal time)

DH believes this is not good, a d setting a bad example

I thinkbthe school is being pragmatic and trying to keep their Stats up... because children will be up late so will be tired and grumpy on Monday morning... so more kate marks and more absences.

However... there has been several occasions where there have been school trips getting back at 10pm... and they were expected in at normal time the next day.

So... is the school being fair here?

(We aren't football fans, but we know people are excited!)

YABU... its a big event, the late start is justified
YANBU... children should be in school at normal time

OP posts:
Matronic6 · 12/07/2024 13:40

PollyPeep · 12/07/2024 13:24

I think it's because the school has said it's ok for kids to turn up late because there was a football match on the night before. It sets a pretty weird example on lots of fronts.

But the school may actually be doing it in response to poor punctuality because of the football. A third of our pupils missed registration yesterday. My friends school was something like 46%. So they made the decision to do a late registration on Monday anticipating the same as it negatively affects their records.

Longma · 12/07/2024 13:41

It's optional so I see no issue.

Staff will have to be in anyway and will look after children who arrive at the normal time.

School likely know there will be some disruption due to a late finish in the Sunday and are just taking a sensible approach to potential lateness or absences.

You'll have more people bring the children in a bit late when it's allowed rather than just taking the while day off if it wasn't allowed.

Parents can make a choice. Can't see the issue with that.

And I'm not even a football fan. It'll be in our tv but I won't be seeking it out and watching specifically. I still don't see any real issue here.

It's also happened before for other big events.
.

TakeOnFlea · 12/07/2024 13:43

@MinnieMountain where did I say anything about "giving a crap" about the royal family? I was replying to the poster who said national celebrations where some leeway is often given is "only ever football".

The Millenium was another. You don't have to "give a crap" to lighten up a bit and take it for what it is 🤣

funinthesun19 · 12/07/2024 13:44

My children’s schools will be open all day which I’m glad about because it’s the last week of term and I have loads to do before Friday. Losing a day would be really annoying.

SummerSnowstorm · 12/07/2024 13:44

HcbSS · 11/07/2024 14:41

Well very few bosses will be allowing late starts so why should schools? And who will look after the kids while having a lie in if the parents have to be at work at normal time?

Plenty will. Tesco is shutting their express stores for their employees to watch the game.

Longma · 12/07/2024 13:46

Weve just had the updated Fines letter saying how much it's going to be next year.

Different things and unrelated to one another.

The increase in fines is not coming from the individual school and it's been well published for several weeks/months now.

PollyPeep · 12/07/2024 13:46

Matronic6 · 12/07/2024 13:40

But the school may actually be doing it in response to poor punctuality because of the football. A third of our pupils missed registration yesterday. My friends school was something like 46%. So they made the decision to do a late registration on Monday anticipating the same as it negatively affects their records.

Schools don't allow poor attendance for any other reason. They actually crack down pretty hard. Even being ten minutes late is a big deal. It seems odd to make an exception for something as nonsensical as a football match, but that might be my personal view coming into play 😂

Longma · 12/07/2024 13:48

TraumaSalt · 11/07/2024 17:25

Why would a football match make children late the next day?

I assume it's the timing.
The match starts at 8pm so they will be going to bed a lot later than normal.

I think the school is just trying to offer a.nice gesture to the parents in light the football. And it's entirely optional - children can still go in as normal as well.

But some people always want to see negativity in whatever others try to do.

ItsAlrightDarling · 12/07/2024 13:49

Regardless as to whether people are personally interested in the football or not (I’m not, and won’t be watching), huge numbers of the country will presumably be watching and the schools will be doing it to protect their attendance numbers to some degree. My kids have finished for the summer so it makes no difference to us anyway, but despite being a non football watching family I couldn’t get worked up about it. I’d just take mine in at normal time.

TempsPerdu · 12/07/2024 13:51

The Coronation
The Jubilee
VE Day
The Queen's Funeral

I think this list serve to prove OP’s point actually. Basically we are awarded bank holidays/lie ins for royals or football (notably not for VE Day). Bread and circuses.

Personally I’d have liked a lie in last Friday after the election results - we did the school run on 3 hours sleep.

TakeOnFlea · 12/07/2024 13:52

Possibly does but I wasn't responding to the OP

MinnieMountain · 12/07/2024 13:54

@TakeOnFlea a spirt of togetherness only happens when it’s a thing we care about doesn’t it?

Longma · 12/07/2024 13:55

funinthesun19 · 12/07/2024 13:44

My children’s schools will be open all day which I’m glad about because it’s the last week of term and I have loads to do before Friday. Losing a day would be really annoying.

The OP's children's school is also open all day as normal. Parents are just being given a little flexibility in the morning so, if they want to, they can drop off up to an hour later.

It's entirely optional.

You could still get everything you need to do fine before Friday as your children could still go into school at their normal ties!

ARichtGoodDram · 12/07/2024 13:58

The school are just protecting stats (which Ofsted could use against them) and also encouraging people to bring their kids to school to hi might otherwise just keep them off all day if they have a late night.

Better to have 50 kids in late than 35 off all day.

ttcat37 · 12/07/2024 14:03

I’d be annoyed, but I think football is awful and generally has a shit influence on kids

inlandriverview · 12/07/2024 14:05

Why do they schedule football final so late?

Europe is an hour ahead

If it goes to penalties, it wont finish til gone 11

Annoying

I

Matronic6 · 12/07/2024 14:08

PollyPeep · 12/07/2024 13:46

Schools don't allow poor attendance for any other reason. They actually crack down pretty hard. Even being ten minutes late is a big deal. It seems odd to make an exception for something as nonsensical as a football match, but that might be my personal view coming into play 😂

I think some parents are going to make the exception. School may be due Ofsted and might be making choice to maintain their figures anticipating lots of kids will be late regardless.

Also I actually know lots of schools who do give some flexibility when they anticipate the same
I know lots of schools who will allow kids a day off if they return from a residential on Thursday. I also know a school that will register their year 6s the day after SATS without expecting them to be present.

inlandriverview · 12/07/2024 14:08

They should show the game at 6pm

Or earlier

Or Saturday

And it's not every 4 years. There's the World cup too... England made the final 2 years ago

candyisdandybutliquorisquicker · 12/07/2024 14:12

OhmygodDont · 11/07/2024 14:50

I remember one year in primary it was a big football event. The school opened early, it was wear something England and the cooks even came in early to make bacon butties for the whole school to watch the game.

Now logically it would of been because some parents wouldn’t of bothered to bring their children in, but it felt amazing as a child that day watching the football with our buddies with our bacon butties in school.

What a lovely memory for you! I love to see "big" occasions marked, and this is a big deal! Likely once in a lifetime 😉

TakeOnFlea · 12/07/2024 14:15

"a spirt of togetherness only happens when it’s a thing we care about doesn’t it?"

Minnie. Do you seriously expect every single person to care about the same things? And if they don't then we should all just plod along like miserable sun starved robots instead of having the option to go to school 1 whole fucking hour late?

There is a "spirit of togetherness" 🤢 because a huge number of people care and enjoy the event. Even non football fans get swept up. Even non royalists get swept up. Even non veterans get swept up. It's patriotic and sometimes it's nice just to let yourself relax a bit.

TakeOnFlea · 12/07/2024 14:19

"Why do they schedule football final so late?"

To maximise broadcasting coverage. That's where most of the revenue comes from.

They could reschedule so that little precious Johnny isn't a teeny bit tired or they could maximise their profits and be thankful that the schools are giving him the option to stay in bed an extra hour in the last week of the school year.

This is so not the big deal it's being made out to be.

lazyarse123 · 12/07/2024 14:19

Might ring my boss and ask if I can go in at 10.00 instead of 6.00 even though I won't be watching but any excuse will do to get time off.

Iwasafool · 12/07/2024 14:23

Dontcallmescarface · 12/07/2024 13:11

The school should insist that all the DC are there at the normal time otherwise they have opened themselves wide to parents not bringing their DC to school on time on other occasions . "Sorry but Jimmy won't be in school until after 10am on Wednesday because there's something on the telly he wants to watch that doesn't finish until late. It's ok though because you let it happen when the football was on". Of course we all know that the late start is not for the children's benefit at all.

Would anyone be that pathetic?

TakeOnFlea · 12/07/2024 14:27

"Would anyone be that pathetic?"

Judging by the current miserly tone that is MN I'd say yes they would. Sad

ACynicalDad · 12/07/2024 14:35

I've told my organisation we start at 10 (was going to be 11 but had a few too many meetings to move). I think it's the thought that counts, not sure many will even watch the football, some aren't English (or Spanish). I think a school doing it, so long as they can take kids from the normal time, particularly right at the end of the summer term is great.