£35.50 to take a car into London 😲

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Confirmed the Blackwall tunnel and the new Silvertown tunnel will become toll tunnels in 2025
£4 per crossing 😡😡 add that to the congestion and ULEZ charge hardly worth going to work !!

I'm a person with asthma who has noticed the improvement in air quality since my bit of London went into the ULEZ. I'm quite near Lewisham where a child died from air pollution in recent years, and many others will have had persistent health problems that didn't hit the headlines. Its a difficult problem to solve because ULEZ does have repercussions for hard working poor people however if anything is a human right then breathing clean air has to be at the top of the list

Yeah. And then used as a weapon against the Labour party for extending it

Very few people working inside the congestion zone will drive to work. The vast majority will use public transport, not just because of the driving charges, but because parking in scares and very expensive and it's often quicker on tube etc as the roads are busy.

I'd rather stick pins in my eyes than drive a car into central London. Public transport in London is excellent, and cheap, there is no need to drive in.

I'd rather stick pins in my eyes than drive a car into central London. Public transport in London is excellent, and cheap, there is no need to drive in.

Unless you are using your vehicle to do deliveries - in which case it is a business expense - go by train.

It’s interesting that most people against this charge don’t actually live in London.

Ok maybe the food is only delivered by motorbike ( although I personally know car drivers who deliver food in London)

Doesn't solve problems with shift workers though. Ok when they START their shift they may be no charges for whatever but what when they head home? For example if u work 6-2 which is a common shift. Drive in for that but charging times are 7-7. Well you are going to get stung going home then lol

Over 90% of cars affected by the expanded ULEZ were already compliant before the expansion. For vans I think it was more like 80%.

For people like your husband and your friends who are driving in London on business then the ULEZ is simply a transport-related cost of that business. Just like fuel, tax, and insurance.

ULEZ isn't a great way to try to reduce the literally deadly air pollution problems in London but I've yet to hear any better ideas. I used to live in London and I've still got family there. The improvement in air quality over the last few years is noticeable.

Do you really think that shift workers drive to work and park? Where are they parking?

The congestion zone has a similar population to the whole of Brighton. I can’t really imagine people dismissing the residents of a city this size by saying there aren’t enough of them to bother about.

I've got a question about all these people who are apparently driving in to the CC zone for shift work who, for whatever reason, can't use public transport. Where are they parking? All the car park costs in the very centre of London that I've seen would dwarf the CC.

You’re about ten years late with that argument.

Edit- no, 20! It was introduced in 2003! Time flies.

London may have brilliant public transport but considering it costs me £50 return to get there, it’s still cheaper for me to drive and my train line is so unreliable.

Somebody desperately needs to tackle the cost of train travel if they want more people to use it.

How would rationing help people who need to drive into London every day? Would they only be allowed in say 3 days a week? I can’t see how that would help anyone.
Please can someone explain the rationing idea.

According to Wikipedia cc zone has 136k people and Brighton 628k.

Are you confusing CC and ULEZ?

Is there a massive backstory about not being able to take public transport because Reasons (like a family member who is too disabled to use public transport, or you are a workperson carting heavy equipment about)?

If not, be like Gran. Use the Tube.

Who the hell is using a car to deliver food in central London? I live in suburban zone 3 and all of our Deliveroo/Just Eat type drivers use bikes, or occasionally mopeds.

This has to be balanced against the fact that these same firms and small businesses benefit from less congestion. Economically speaking, everyone in society (including small businesses) end up far worse off in the long run when streets are clogged. And if you don't manage demand in a big busy city, every road will be clogged, and millions of hours and billions of pounds in productivity get lost every year due to congestion.

Charging (in various ways) for road usage is not some woke, wet tree-hugger thing; it's generally supported by economists, including right-wing think-tank types. In fact, things like congestion charges and Ulezes were broadly supported by the Tories back in the day when they actually cared about economic growth rather than culture wars.

I love a good debate about transport. Its a niche specialism in Economics, sometimes I wished I'd gone into it instead of teaching.
It's great to see so many ideas, obviously as a society we are going to have to find a way to adapt as we phase out petrol vehicles and reduce air pollution.
I'm always struck as a historian by how societies never have these discussions as the technology is introduced in the first place. Relatively recently children played in the streets and adults walked or set up stalls and other small businesses in them. Making roads the sole preserve of personal vehicles is really restrictive.
Also public transport between South East London and East London for me is a breeze thanks to the overground!.
And Beckton is not on the outskirts of London! It's all relative. This is why I love transport it is so democratic and all our lived experiences are valid.

There's an assumption here that OP has an office based job (may well do, not enough info) but may well need to drive regularly into London or via these crossings transporting equipment or a trade that needs a van. Not everyone can use public transport.

My job for instance is at mire than one site and public transport wouldn't work for me as i simply wouldn't be able to get from one to another on time and dragging my equipment around would be too much. I therefore choose to work in the home counties instead.

Would be great - except I live in one of the four London boroughs that has no tube at all.

Central London transport can be great (when they're not striking, or it's not snowing, or it's too hot etc), but in outer London it really isn't.

Our local bus doesn't link to either of the train stations we need to get into central London. If there are road works it stops running completely as it can't divert due to low bridges. Outside of rush hour we have one train and hour which stops at 23.30. If there are problems on the trains, our line is the first to be cancelled as they keep the ones to the south coast running over ours which doesn't go there. And the endless strikes.....

Whilst I could see the value of the original ulez, the extension was rushed and just not thought through. The public transport options, particularly in S London, are just not there.

I don’t think that there is such an assumption because everyone who works in an office in London knows full well that that absolutely none of their colleagues drive to work. There is no parking!

My assumption is that OP lives near one of the tunnels and drives through them now and again for non-work reasons, but has decided to protest and wants to use fictional London car commuters to bolster her cause.

But what’s the issue? Where are you driving for work and why does your vehicle attract a ULEZ charge?

Well the assumption of an office job was made becuase she complained about having to drive right in to cenrral London. Of course trades, deliveries and builders work in the congestion charge zone but often they arrive well before the charging kicks in at 7am.

Indeed Mr Monkey was out early today to meet the 6.30am delivery at the central London store he manages.