£35.50 to take a car into London 😲

[whatdoidonowffs]

Confirmed the Blackwall tunnel and the new Silvertown tunnel will become toll tunnels in 2025
£4 per crossing 😡😡 add that to the congestion and ULEZ charge hardly worth going to work !!

Sure. Of course most tradespeople need to drive. So let’s all feel happy that the fact that congestion is under control means that tradespeople who do need to drive, are able to do so.

Because if you are worried about tradespeople losing out from not being able to do as many jobs per day if they were to cycle, you don’t even want to know how much tradespeople would lose out if there were no controls on bringing cars into London. They would spend half their working day stuck in traffic.

It’s better to pay some money on road charges and be able to fit in more jobs in a timely manner due to minimized congestions, even from tradespeople’s perspective. That’s why most economists are in favor of charging for driving and parking in cities.

Ok. This is fine for a office worker but what if your a labourer with tools and equipment.

A drummer with a set to set up
A freelance therapist with a table
A caterer with food to keep cool.

It's not just about mums going into London. For a day out.

I'm really sorry but I've read that a few times now and I'm struggling to understand what you're trying to say. Could you try again?

Here are some plumbers:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/business-58929721
https://pedalpowered.wixsite.com/plumbing
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/local-news/plumber-cardiff-ditches-van-arrives-22140131

A decorator:
https://www.groni.co.uk/pedal-paint

Gardeners:
https://thecyclinggardener.com/
https://www.cyclinggardeners.co.uk/
https://modernmint.co.uk/cycling-gardener-liverpool/

A jack-of-all-trades:
https://www.camcycle.org.uk/magazine/magazine149/article28/

An electrician:
https://metro.co.uk/2023/02/25/london-electrician-travels-across-city-fixing-homes-from-his-e-bike-18338248/

So you'd have to pay £12.50. Diddums. You can't even park for an hour at Heathrow for that. 90% of vehicles are ULEZ-compliant anyway.

Then pay the charge and include it in your bill.

Agreed. If you had to get to Gatwick/Heathrow from Essex, there’s no need to go through central London. You’d go around M25.

I live in zone 4, the last time I drove into central London was in lockdown to get to my office to check the post etc. There are very few people that need to drive into central London. In some ways I wonder why they didn't toll Blackwall before they built another tunnel and demand will reduce. I think it's a bit unfair if Blackwall, Silvertown and Dartford are tolls in the east and they spend loads on Hammersmith and don't charge in the west where people are generally much richer. ULEZ will raise very little in a year or two as it will speed up people upgrading their cars.

Tigertigertigertiger
Here's a thing .

My millionaire brother in law loves all these charges because it makes the roads so much quieter for rich people 

Do you understand how big ULEZ is? Or how busy the CC zone still is?
Where are all these quiet roads acting as millionaire playgrounds

Yes I understand.
I posted this purely to indicate what a tosser my brother in law is and that the charges impact people differently

@ACynicalDad I've got a vague memory from the dim and distant past that there are special laws/warrants/similar in place for the central London bridges that prevents them from having tolls added.

I think they didn't introduce tolls on the Blackwall tunnel before the Silvertown tunnel was built because there's been a huge amount of disruption caused by the construction. It'd be a tough sell to say "Hey, you're now going to have to pay to go through the Blackwall but at the same time traffic's going to be even worse than usual because we're digging up the road lol"

Laws can be changed, they have to make a law to build something like Silvertown. I guess my point is if you tolled Blackwall would you need Silvertown?

The point was about using bloody public transport NOT driving

Hammersmith Bridge is currently closed to motor vehicles for repairs, and when it reopens it is supposed to be charging a toll.

But it will impact his neighbours the same who won't all be rich

The east / SE journey from where I live to where I need to go takes 30 mins on the car or 1 hour 20 mins on public transport. The latter involves a walk or bus, 2 tubes and another bus. I don’t disagree with charges to reduce car use, but why aren’t they applied equally? Why is it only the 2 east London river crossings that are to be chargeable? There isn’t even a decent way to cross on a bike / foot.

You do know people live in central London and want to go elsewhere? And they are scrapping the cc exemption for electric cars? 🙄

You do know that people who live in the congestion charge zone get a 90% discount? 🙄

That is 90% of cars in central London not the outer boroughs. Some of us work in Heathrow in unsociable hours with no public transport ...so some shifts cost double. To replace my car cost more than I paid for it 9 years ago for a year newer ....7 seater cars were all inflated in price and hard to find all second hand cars went up by more than the £2k scrappage which had to be insured with a valid MOT at the time of scrappage so you either paid double if you brought a replacement car or went carless and therefore workless for what for some was 3 months due to processing delays.
My husband is SE he needs a van but is retiring in 2 years he couldn't afford a new van in excess of the £24k they were going for so now pays £280 plus a month in Ulez plus any other costs like CC and fuel he's looking at closing once he's fulfilled his contracts making 4 unemployed.

No, it's 90% across the whole of Greater London. A petrol car would have to be nearly 20 years old to not be compliant.

And diesel which most 7 seaters and vans were only around 9 years many businesses struggling after can't just buy a new van at £24k even on a loan. My husband's will be the 4th on his site to close leaving 6 and a landlord struggling not to mention all the unemployed. I live near Heathrow it's the shit out of the plans and the motorways now forced to go slow that it is polluting us.

Why do you need to drive a diesel 7-seater to Heathrow for your shift? Do you give a lift to six of your colleagues?

A number of people have said "rationing" trips.

In Athens:

"A measure aimed at reducing traffic in downtown Athens, by which cars with license plates ending in an odd number can enter the city center on odd days of the month and those with even numbers on even days, is set come back into effect".

It doesn't work as people now buy two cars, each with different ending number plates!!!

Maybe it’s their only car and they have more than two children 🤷🏻

Maybe a large family and can't afford to buy a second car just to go to work

Depends how many people are in a family not everyone can afford 2 cars.