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To not help my elderly baby boomer parents

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DebbieDownerBB · 09/07/2024 14:05

Baby Boomer parents still married and are in their mid-seventies. My DM hasn’t worked since she was in her early 50’s due to chronic poor health (fibromyalgia etc). She was part-time / self-employed most of her 40’s. They moved overseas in their mid-50’s and DF was able to get well-paying work (physically hard job). He was on good money for 10-15 years and retired at 70. My DM was in charge of the finances until she was diagnosed with dementia in her early 70’s due to FND, history of depression , anxiety , arthritis etc.

During her late 50’s-early 60’s she spent a lot of money on things such as cruises and holidays, surgeries (expensive dental work , bariatric surgery x 2, tummy tuck, face lift ) and things like jewellery. DF buried his head in the sand re: finances.

I am late Gen X, moved out of house at 18, was able to get a degree and pay off my large student loan. I’ve been with my DH since I was 19 and he has been very fortunate to earn a lot of money in recent years. Since we had our child I have not returned to work (I guess it’s a very traditional family set up ). Child is in primary school.

I live a 12 hour drive away or a quick flight from my parents (I moved to their country in 2010). My brother is even further away - 2 flights and never visits them. We have suggested many times that they move close to either my brother or myself but they have refused. My child is their only grandchild and they’ve met him about 7 times since he was born. They are not active grandparents at all - even when visiting.

My mother constantly rings me pleading poverty and is anxious about what will happen to her if DF dies before her. They have a meager pension and savings, their home is mortgage free. They live comfortably day to day on their pension.

She just called today to announce that DF‘S knees are in terrible condition and he needs at least one knee replacement. Would cost considerable if done privately. Stupidly they had great health insurance but had recently swapped to another company and didn’t realise joint replacements weren’t covered. I’m fuming at their stupidity. I’m also fuming that she wasted so much money and lived beyond her means (something they would have judge US on if we had done the same thing). His knees have been bad for a good 15 years. I asked about going public but she says it would be 9 years on the waiting list. They do have private super / savings they could use to pay private but I guess DM is not wanting to dip into this in case she needs it all later. I feel so awkward as I think she feels I should help her financially but DH is not keen on the idea. She’s a very shallow, gossipy woman so she hasn’t done herself any favours over the years (we aren’t very close ). Besides , he has his DM to think about.

AIBU not helping her or feeling obligated to do so?

OP posts:
LemonandLimeCake · 09/07/2024 17:26

Washingupdone · 09/07/2024 17:16

If they are in France, and your father legally worked, he paid into the French pension and health systems which should cover your mother’s knee operation in the local public hospital.

How can they be? Look at the timings of visiting them.

Biggleslefae · 09/07/2024 17:27

BeeCucumber · 09/07/2024 14:16

You are not close. Your mother has savings - she can afford the op but would rather spend your money. This is not your problem to solve.

I agree with this.

AnonymousBleep · 09/07/2024 17:28

LemonandLimeCake · 09/07/2024 17:25

Why are you so invested in this @DebbieDownerBB ?

You clearly don't like your Mum and show no love for her or your father in your posts. You seem to be jealous despite being very well off yourself in your 40s.

You're also very quick later on to 'defend' her for not working when posters accuse you of repeating her behaviour.

You said she only worked p/t and self employed till her 40s. This implied you felt she was not pulling her weight.

Funny how she managed all those holidays on cruises, (alone) in a motorhome, and had surgery on her face even though she was too ill to work. Makes me wonder if she was leading another life on her own.

If you've chosen to give up work in your early 40s to be a SAHM that's your choice (your old job sounds like working in care, hospitality or a hospital.) But what about when your child is at school full time? As others have said, you need to protect yourself against being unemployable should your marriage break up.

Your mum and dad don't need your money.
Let it go.

But I still think you need counselling to talk about the anger you have towards your parents.

I'm a baby boomer but I'm not offended by your use of that phrase.
However, you say it with disdain, not just a factual description of who they are.

I think it's weird that she wouldn't be invested - literally - if she thinks her mum wants her to hand over £25K.

Lots of us have had fucked up childhoods and probably need counselling. The OP doesn't have to explain herself on here.

telestrations · 09/07/2024 17:28

DebbieDownerBB · 09/07/2024 14:21

They have about £200k in savings from what I can gather. She is saying surgery could cost £25k. I feel like this seems very high for one knee unless she’s confused and thinking it’s both knees.

It would technically be my DH that would help as I am a SAHM. It would be household funds.

A friends Mum recently got a hip replacement for 10-15k in Scotland after being told the wait would be a decade

So I do believe the wait time is possible but 25k sounds high unless they are going for a super fancy option, which seeing how they've spent sounds very possible. Or it's just higher where they live

Overall they have 200k in savings, a mortgage free home and a pension they can live on. They are very more then fine and if they ever are not then you and your DB can step in but include things they don't like like moving

Also understand what they are demanding of you... That you allow them to become a problem in your marriage and that you give them money for your family to them.

MacNCheese9 · 09/07/2024 17:28

I don't think your Dad's wait would be that great. If he is in chronic pain, and needs it.

Can you go with them to the Drs?

flyingfar · 09/07/2024 17:29

Marshfritillary · 09/07/2024 14:21

Why did you have to say in your heading that your parents are baby boomers? It's not relevant to your query, unless you want to just get the sympathy of baby boomer bashers. Half of baby boomers are not elderly and still working age. You said you are late Gen X, quite unnecessarily, so presumably only just younger than many baby boomers.

This.

Also, 9 years for a knee replacement? I would also check the cost. I think it might be considerably less than that.

LemonandLimeCake · 09/07/2024 17:31

AnonymousBleep · 09/07/2024 17:28

I think it's weird that she wouldn't be invested - literally - if she thinks her mum wants her to hand over £25K.

Lots of us have had fucked up childhoods and probably need counselling. The OP doesn't have to explain herself on here.

Ha! Her first post explains far more than was necessary1
All she had to say was her mum asked for money for an op despite having £200K in savings and having wasted thousands over the years.

No need for the lengthy family history.

SHE started explaining.

The 'invested' comment is she doesn't like her mum, isn't close, yet is mulling over what ought to be a simple decision.

ShyMaryEllen · 09/07/2024 17:33

I'm confused. The parents have saved £200k and paid off their house, yet they have been profligate? That makes little sense unless you are seeing this from a very privileged perspective.

Her mother was lazy for not working, but the OP doesn't work. Erm. . .

This operation is 'going to cost the OP £25k either way'?? How does that work? Option 1 - she decides to pay, it will cost her £25k that presumably will be more than covered in the inheritance she'll get when the house is sold and the savings go to her and her siblings, so she'll get it back. Option 2 - she doesn't pay, and the parents cough up now and there is less to leave behind. Either way, it won't cost her a penny.

Unless the OP does plan to refuse her parents' money when they die, then it's a case of whether the parents pay for the op now, or the OP basically lends them the money which she will get back down the line. Or maybe the parents will leave it all to the brother, if he is more kindly disposed towards them?

AnonymousBleep · 09/07/2024 17:35

LemonandLimeCake · 09/07/2024 17:31

Ha! Her first post explains far more than was necessary1
All she had to say was her mum asked for money for an op despite having £200K in savings and having wasted thousands over the years.

No need for the lengthy family history.

SHE started explaining.

The 'invested' comment is she doesn't like her mum, isn't close, yet is mulling over what ought to be a simple decision.

How is it a simple decision? It shows generosity of spirit that she's clearly considering giving them the money, presumably out of family loyalty because like you say, she clearly doesn't like her mother much (and we don't have to take that presumption in bad faith, as half the people on here always do).

Allofaflutter · 09/07/2024 17:43

People are always keen to spend other people’s money but never their own. Say no.

graceinspace999 · 09/07/2024 17:46

CharlotteRumpling · 09/07/2024 17:15

This I totally agree with. Hence why I live in relative frugality so that I don't have to rely on my DC for anything. Hopefully. I don't want them to take care of me because they think they will get an inheritance.

I’m just curious. If you continue with your frugality and save up so they don’t have to help you. Will you still leave them something?

viques · 09/07/2024 17:48

They have enough money to pay for the surgery, if your DF chooses not to do so then he is the one who sadly has to live with the pain and reduced mobility.

LemonandLimeCake · 09/07/2024 17:49

AnonymousBleep · 09/07/2024 17:35

How is it a simple decision? It shows generosity of spirit that she's clearly considering giving them the money, presumably out of family loyalty because like you say, she clearly doesn't like her mother much (and we don't have to take that presumption in bad faith, as half the people on here always do).

I just don't understand her posts at all.

Her dad earned the money.
He needs the op.

Her conversation ought to be with him.

Lunde · 09/07/2024 18:03

LemonandLimeCake · 09/07/2024 15:24

@SmudgeButt The OP and her parents don't live in the UK so the figures and stats don't apply.

She hasn't said where they live but if it's a 12 hour drive, it's not the UK and the other option she says is a long flight.

It's a large continent so either US, Canada, Oz or maybe S Africa.

Actually OP says it's a 12 hour drive or a quick flight in her OP

We don't know whether it is UK or not but the 12 hour drive doesn't rule out UK - Truro to Inverness would take 12+ hours to drive

DreamTheMoors · 09/07/2024 18:08

DebbieDownerBB · 09/07/2024 14:29

Someone’s triggered, lol. They are classified as Baby Boomers. I am classified as Gen X. They are mid 70’s. I am mid forties. Calm down.

They asked you a question.
You came back with a rude remark.
If anybody is triggered, it’s you.
I’m thinking that your parents raised you (because you certainly didn’t raise yourself) with the common sense to write this OP and decide that you don’t want to pay for your parents’ expenses.
You also say that your mother has dementia, so instead of criticising her to strangers on the internet, perhaps you should be more concerned with her welfare.
What you decide is entirely up to you, but your sarcastic attitude is revealing.

mydamnfootstuckinthedoor · 09/07/2024 18:09

Even double knee replacement doesn't cost more than a decent car. They should take out a loan or dip into savings.

MereDintofPandiculation · 09/07/2024 18:18

It's for them to spend some of the savings before asking you. Whether you support them if they run out in their 90s is a different question.

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 09/07/2024 18:30

Dillydollydingdong · 09/07/2024 16:19

Parents have gott loads of money and it would be totally unreasonable of them to expect you to pay for their surgery! They've got £200k in savings and they're reluctant to fork out £25k ? FFS!

This.
Just to add that a relative had a knee op within a year on NHS and very good follow up care.
Your DM is prone to exaggeration by the sounds of it. You could easily look up how much private knee ops cost. I would want more concrete facts before considering donating anything and what happens if she then splurges on more cruises. It sounds like she's talking about borrowing without paying you back.
It's your DH's money she wants to spend, and as you say, he has his own mother to think of.

LordSnot · 09/07/2024 18:30

I keep seeing these posts from people who think of everybody in terms of their generational name. Boomers, Milennials, Gen X. It's such a very odd way of looking at the world.

Yellow2024 · 09/07/2024 18:33

I wouldn't. However I might be convinced if they had helped you financially previously.

Peaceandquietandacuppa · 09/07/2024 18:34

Westfacing · 09/07/2024 14:24

You are being very unreasonable, for using silly terms like Baby Boomers and Gen X.

Quite. I don’t know why this is relevant. From a millennial who hates these little boxes people like to put other people in. You get good and bad in every generation.

HazelLion · 09/07/2024 18:36

Lunde · 09/07/2024 18:03

Actually OP says it's a 12 hour drive or a quick flight in her OP

We don't know whether it is UK or not but the 12 hour drive doesn't rule out UK - Truro to Inverness would take 12+ hours to drive

I think it's likely Australia as she referred to money in a super

ShyMaryEllen · 09/07/2024 18:37

LordSnot · 09/07/2024 18:30

I keep seeing these posts from people who think of everybody in terms of their generational name. Boomers, Milennials, Gen X. It's such a very odd way of looking at the world.

I agree. It's entirely made up, and has no bearing on reality. Sex, class and geography have far more bearing on someone's life chances than a bit of Marketing jargon placing them in a fake 'generation'.

YellowAsteroid · 09/07/2024 18:38

Look, it's your choice, but I think YABU. Your parents have worked hard - your father worked in a physical job till he was 70, FFS!

From what you say, your mother worked all her life as well (you're not working, are you?) until ill-health made it difficult.

You're very judgemental about their spending, but they've worked hard - why shouldn't they enjoy it?

In the end, it's up to you, but in the past, I've helped my parents if they've needed it, no matter how misguided I thought they were with their decisions - they gave me a secure home, a good education, and a loving start in life. Helping them with money when I could wasn't a hard ask.

But it sounds as though you don't really like or approve of your parents - your post is quite judgemental about their characters and their choices.

Windchiming · 09/07/2024 18:41

CharlotteRumpling · 09/07/2024 15:01

Well, OP still hasn't clarified why she won't talk to her dad, who does not have dementia, is probably not shallow, and can possibly tell her why he can;t use his own savings.

She says she likes her dad. But some reasons discusses important matters with mum with poor cognitive issues.

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