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To not help my elderly baby boomer parents

299 replies

DebbieDownerBB · 09/07/2024 14:05

Baby Boomer parents still married and are in their mid-seventies. My DM hasn’t worked since she was in her early 50’s due to chronic poor health (fibromyalgia etc). She was part-time / self-employed most of her 40’s. They moved overseas in their mid-50’s and DF was able to get well-paying work (physically hard job). He was on good money for 10-15 years and retired at 70. My DM was in charge of the finances until she was diagnosed with dementia in her early 70’s due to FND, history of depression , anxiety , arthritis etc.

During her late 50’s-early 60’s she spent a lot of money on things such as cruises and holidays, surgeries (expensive dental work , bariatric surgery x 2, tummy tuck, face lift ) and things like jewellery. DF buried his head in the sand re: finances.

I am late Gen X, moved out of house at 18, was able to get a degree and pay off my large student loan. I’ve been with my DH since I was 19 and he has been very fortunate to earn a lot of money in recent years. Since we had our child I have not returned to work (I guess it’s a very traditional family set up ). Child is in primary school.

I live a 12 hour drive away or a quick flight from my parents (I moved to their country in 2010). My brother is even further away - 2 flights and never visits them. We have suggested many times that they move close to either my brother or myself but they have refused. My child is their only grandchild and they’ve met him about 7 times since he was born. They are not active grandparents at all - even when visiting.

My mother constantly rings me pleading poverty and is anxious about what will happen to her if DF dies before her. They have a meager pension and savings, their home is mortgage free. They live comfortably day to day on their pension.

She just called today to announce that DF‘S knees are in terrible condition and he needs at least one knee replacement. Would cost considerable if done privately. Stupidly they had great health insurance but had recently swapped to another company and didn’t realise joint replacements weren’t covered. I’m fuming at their stupidity. I’m also fuming that she wasted so much money and lived beyond her means (something they would have judge US on if we had done the same thing). His knees have been bad for a good 15 years. I asked about going public but she says it would be 9 years on the waiting list. They do have private super / savings they could use to pay private but I guess DM is not wanting to dip into this in case she needs it all later. I feel so awkward as I think she feels I should help her financially but DH is not keen on the idea. She’s a very shallow, gossipy woman so she hasn’t done herself any favours over the years (we aren’t very close ). Besides , he has his DM to think about.

AIBU not helping her or feeling obligated to do so?

OP posts:
Beautiful3 · 09/07/2024 18:54

If they have £200,000 then they can clearly afford £25,000. I'd explain to them that you're not working and only on one salary.

AzureSheep · 09/07/2024 19:01

I don’t think you’re being unreasonable at all. They have £200k in savings and are living comfortably off their pensions. Why on earth should you pay for their health issues?

Drizzlethru · 09/07/2024 19:10

where do they live?

I can’t imagine any country has a 9yr wait list for free treatment.ALSO 25k sounds expensive. What a the cost of surgery in your country.

what a shame they switched insurance.

I would expect them to use their savings. Then they can sell their home to downsize to release money when only one left - a one bed retirement type flat.

fetchacloth · 09/07/2024 19:13

Maybe your parents consider downsizing or equity release fund their lifestyle. It's not really your problem.
The insurance change was a silly mistake though.

1offnamechange · 09/07/2024 19:19

SchoolQuestionnaire · 09/07/2024 15:23

It doesn’t take a genius to understand that £200k won’t go far when you have no income other than a meagre pension. It might keep them for another 10 - 15 years living a pretty basic life. Having a finite amount of money with no idea how long you are going to need it for must be terrifying. Surely you can empathise with that?

You keep going on about how awful your dm is but your dad needs the op. Don’t you care enough to help him rather than having him struggle waiting for an operation that he might never get. I wouldn’t hesitate to help my dp’s but unfortunately I never got the opportunity as I’ve lost both of them.

I can’t understand people like you. You have both of your parents and just don’t appreciate how lucky you are. You’ve said yourself your df is stoic but fair, hard working and your dm while not perfect can be generous and sensitive. How can you be so dismissive of their needs in their old age?

I fucking hate violin playing 'you're so lucky to still have your parents' top trump posters. How hard is it to understand that not everyone has lovely parents.

Also "Having a finite amount of money with no idea how long you are going to need it for must be terrifying". Why would this be terrifying, it's literally the case for every single retiree, other than multi millionaires nobody has an infinite amount of money! OPs parents are significantly better off than most.

MagpieCastle · 09/07/2024 19:26

They seem to have enough to pay for this themselves.

Agree speaking to your dad will help clarify as the 9 yr waiting list + estimate costs which both seem odd. Is he aware of your mum’s concerns?

Might there be other stuff going on with your mum given the anxiety level she seems to have over this + finances. Is this new or ongoing? PIL had constant money concerns with dementia which seemed progress in tandem with the condition.

Yep, the whole Boomer/Gen Z comment was unhelpful and derailed the conversation a bit.

HazelBite · 09/07/2024 19:30

Anyone whose need for joint replacement is seriously URGENT will get one fairly quickly in this country. I know as I was getting to the stage where I was unable to walk, my friend had her hip replaced quickly because of the serious effect her hip was having on her mobility.
There are a lot of people waiting for replacements who have not tried making things more comfortable and better for themselves by losing weight and doing helpful physiotherapy, who will sit around complaining that they have to wait. Perhaps the OP needs to ask if her father has had his condition properly assessed before any talk of parting with cash to fund such a procedure is considered?

oakleaffy · 09/07/2024 19:31

Marshfritillary · 09/07/2024 14:21

Why did you have to say in your heading that your parents are baby boomers? It's not relevant to your query, unless you want to just get the sympathy of baby boomer bashers. Half of baby boomers are not elderly and still working age. You said you are late Gen X, quite unnecessarily, so presumably only just younger than many baby boomers.

Absolutely agree here..''Baby boomers'' is nothing but an insult.

What on earth is a ''Late gen X?''..I'd have no idea.

Google says 1965-1980

that seems a lot for a knee replacement....but assuming the parents will be leaving their house and not inconsiderable £200,000 savings to OP it seems a bit mean not to help out if they can.

Biggleslefae · 09/07/2024 19:34

1offnamechange · 09/07/2024 19:19

I fucking hate violin playing 'you're so lucky to still have your parents' top trump posters. How hard is it to understand that not everyone has lovely parents.

Also "Having a finite amount of money with no idea how long you are going to need it for must be terrifying". Why would this be terrifying, it's literally the case for every single retiree, other than multi millionaires nobody has an infinite amount of money! OPs parents are significantly better off than most.

Very true, and £200k will earn you £10k per year in interest without you ever needing to touch the 200k!

oakleaffy · 09/07/2024 19:37

DebbieDownerBB · 09/07/2024 14:58

I actually have a very high opinion of my DF. He is very stoic but fair, hard working. I mean I am hopping mad about the health insurance, that doesn’t mean I don’t like them. Yes, my mother is pretty shallow and gossipy. Her family members would completely agree with me on that 🤣. She can also be a very generous and sensitive person. I mentioned the shallow /gossipy part as she is very much like that and DH doesn’t see her through the same lens as I (me being her child and he being an in-law).

You do seem to have the traits of your Mother..Not working, and gossipy. {Talking about her on here for starters}

LemonandLimeCake · 09/07/2024 19:38

Biggleslefae · 09/07/2024 19:34

Very true, and £200k will earn you £10k per year in interest without you ever needing to touch the 200k!

errr...not necessarily @Biggleslefae

5% interest from where?

And unless it's an ISA you'd pay tax on the interest earned.

LemonandLimeCake · 09/07/2024 19:39

HazelBite · 09/07/2024 19:30

Anyone whose need for joint replacement is seriously URGENT will get one fairly quickly in this country. I know as I was getting to the stage where I was unable to walk, my friend had her hip replaced quickly because of the serious effect her hip was having on her mobility.
There are a lot of people waiting for replacements who have not tried making things more comfortable and better for themselves by losing weight and doing helpful physiotherapy, who will sit around complaining that they have to wait. Perhaps the OP needs to ask if her father has had his condition properly assessed before any talk of parting with cash to fund such a procedure is considered?

Why does no one read the first post?

It's very obvious the OP is not in the UK.

herbetta · 09/07/2024 19:44

Slightly off-topic, but I think relevant, is that a lot of your mum's physical & mental health conditions could be attributed to post-menpausal loss of oestrogen.

We'll never know for sure, but often new 'joint/pain' etc conditions first diagnosed in women in their 40s and 50s can be attributed to this and rectified by HRT. I'm assuming she is not on HRT, but it's something you should seriously consider for yourself going forward (including risk reduction for dementia etc).

Anonymouseposter · 09/07/2024 19:46

They can afford to pay for this themselves. I also understand that they (particularly your Mum) have made decisions in the past and it isn't up to you to protect them from the consequences. I don't regard them as badly off. I'm in my 70s and they have more savings than me and most of my friends and I don't feel short of money. I do think it would have been enough to give rough ages rather than categorising yourself and your parents by generation. It tends to lead to stereotyping. You are individuals.

Redmat · 09/07/2024 19:46

For the poster(s) who said using the term baby boomers makes the age thing clearer. It absolutely does not. A boomer can be 78 or 60. That's a big difference in life experience. For example a female boomer at 78 may well have been retired since they were 60. A 60 year old boomer still has 7 years to work. The term has now become extremely offensive. Let's stick to actual ages.

Washingupdone · 09/07/2024 19:47

LemonandLimeCake · 09/07/2024 17:26

How can they be? Look at the timings of visiting them.

Scotland to south of France

SchoolQuestionnaire · 09/07/2024 19:47

1offnamechange · 09/07/2024 19:19

I fucking hate violin playing 'you're so lucky to still have your parents' top trump posters. How hard is it to understand that not everyone has lovely parents.

Also "Having a finite amount of money with no idea how long you are going to need it for must be terrifying". Why would this be terrifying, it's literally the case for every single retiree, other than multi millionaires nobody has an infinite amount of money! OPs parents are significantly better off than most.

Ignoring your ‘Top Trumps’ comment, op hasn’t said that her parents are horrible or abusive. She’s said that her mum is shallow and gossipy, spends too much and has mental health issues. She apparently quite likes her dad (although not enough to care that he may be in pain for the next 9 years). Most people find their parents annoying at times. It doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t help them if you can.

£200k is not a lot of money if it is all you have to live on. To put it into context, it isn’t even 9 years of a state pension for a couple in the UK which I don’t think anyone would claim is generous. They (hopefully) may well have far longer than 9 years left to live - they could even have 20 more years in them. They may need care. But once this money is gone, it’s gone. They can’t earn more. Not just because they are elderly but because one is unable to work due to mental health issues and the other needs a new knee. This isn’t fun money, it’s a rapidly depreciating asset that has to sustain them for the rest of their life. Of course it’s terrifying.

Garlicnaan · 09/07/2024 19:50

It sounds like you are incredibly wealthy - your DH earns 10 x what you did in your degree led job after 15 years' experience - that's money almost everyone can only dream of. And wouldn't miss £25k. It's probably the equivalent of me giving my parents £100.

If it would help put your parent out of pain for potentially 8 years you can afford to.

Biggleslefae · 09/07/2024 19:52

LemonandLimeCake · 09/07/2024 19:38

errr...not necessarily @Biggleslefae

5% interest from where?

And unless it's an ISA you'd pay tax on the interest earned.

I've got all my savings in 5% accounts and why have they not had the sense to put theirs in an ISA?

LemonandLimeCake · 09/07/2024 20:01

Biggleslefae · 09/07/2024 19:52

I've got all my savings in 5% accounts and why have they not had the sense to put theirs in an ISA?

Once more with feeling - they don't live in the UK! @Biggleslefae
And you've no idea of their savings/ interest ratio.

No location given but it's clear from the very first post that they are not in the UK- look at the distances involved and how OP moved to be with them.

Posters reckon she's in Oz (maybe the US.)

You can only put £20Kpa into an Isa.
The interest rate hasn't always been 5%. That's about top whack at the moment and you need to switch once the ISA has matured.

But anyway - beside the point.

LemonandLimeCake · 09/07/2024 20:03

SchoolQuestionnaire · 09/07/2024 19:47

Ignoring your ‘Top Trumps’ comment, op hasn’t said that her parents are horrible or abusive. She’s said that her mum is shallow and gossipy, spends too much and has mental health issues. She apparently quite likes her dad (although not enough to care that he may be in pain for the next 9 years). Most people find their parents annoying at times. It doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t help them if you can.

£200k is not a lot of money if it is all you have to live on. To put it into context, it isn’t even 9 years of a state pension for a couple in the UK which I don’t think anyone would claim is generous. They (hopefully) may well have far longer than 9 years left to live - they could even have 20 more years in them. They may need care. But once this money is gone, it’s gone. They can’t earn more. Not just because they are elderly but because one is unable to work due to mental health issues and the other needs a new knee. This isn’t fun money, it’s a rapidly depreciating asset that has to sustain them for the rest of their life. Of course it’s terrifying.

Her parents have a pension.
They don't live on their capital.

It's all in her posts.

SchoolQuestionnaire · 09/07/2024 20:10

LemonandLimeCake · 09/07/2024 20:03

Her parents have a pension.
They don't live on their capital.

It's all in her posts.

She said a meagre pension.

We don’t know where they are based or how much that actually is. The word meagre and the fact that the mum is so anxious indicates that it’s not a sufficient amount to live on.

Mumwiththingstodo · 09/07/2024 20:13

Not at all. You've suggested they move closer, so You've offered an olive branch. You are not responsible for your parents, especially in a situation you have described. Don't allow guilty feelings either. If you want to practically help, let them know the websites/numbers of agencies who can help them.

Biggleslefae · 09/07/2024 20:24

LemonandLimeCake · 09/07/2024 20:01

Once more with feeling - they don't live in the UK! @Biggleslefae
And you've no idea of their savings/ interest ratio.

No location given but it's clear from the very first post that they are not in the UK- look at the distances involved and how OP moved to be with them.

Posters reckon she's in Oz (maybe the US.)

You can only put £20Kpa into an Isa.
The interest rate hasn't always been 5%. That's about top whack at the moment and you need to switch once the ISA has matured.

But anyway - beside the point.

Wherever they live they could have invested their savings to get a return on the money.
But anyway they are clearly spend thrifts and op has been frugal. I wouldn't give my carefully saved money to help parents who had spent money like water with no regard for the future.

Blogswife · 09/07/2024 20:49

9 years ? My DF has just had his knee replaced. He was just over 6 months from first consultation to operation . Either his knees aren’t that bad or she’s lying !