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To not help my elderly baby boomer parents

299 replies

DebbieDownerBB · 09/07/2024 14:05

Baby Boomer parents still married and are in their mid-seventies. My DM hasn’t worked since she was in her early 50’s due to chronic poor health (fibromyalgia etc). She was part-time / self-employed most of her 40’s. They moved overseas in their mid-50’s and DF was able to get well-paying work (physically hard job). He was on good money for 10-15 years and retired at 70. My DM was in charge of the finances until she was diagnosed with dementia in her early 70’s due to FND, history of depression , anxiety , arthritis etc.

During her late 50’s-early 60’s she spent a lot of money on things such as cruises and holidays, surgeries (expensive dental work , bariatric surgery x 2, tummy tuck, face lift ) and things like jewellery. DF buried his head in the sand re: finances.

I am late Gen X, moved out of house at 18, was able to get a degree and pay off my large student loan. I’ve been with my DH since I was 19 and he has been very fortunate to earn a lot of money in recent years. Since we had our child I have not returned to work (I guess it’s a very traditional family set up ). Child is in primary school.

I live a 12 hour drive away or a quick flight from my parents (I moved to their country in 2010). My brother is even further away - 2 flights and never visits them. We have suggested many times that they move close to either my brother or myself but they have refused. My child is their only grandchild and they’ve met him about 7 times since he was born. They are not active grandparents at all - even when visiting.

My mother constantly rings me pleading poverty and is anxious about what will happen to her if DF dies before her. They have a meager pension and savings, their home is mortgage free. They live comfortably day to day on their pension.

She just called today to announce that DF‘S knees are in terrible condition and he needs at least one knee replacement. Would cost considerable if done privately. Stupidly they had great health insurance but had recently swapped to another company and didn’t realise joint replacements weren’t covered. I’m fuming at their stupidity. I’m also fuming that she wasted so much money and lived beyond her means (something they would have judge US on if we had done the same thing). His knees have been bad for a good 15 years. I asked about going public but she says it would be 9 years on the waiting list. They do have private super / savings they could use to pay private but I guess DM is not wanting to dip into this in case she needs it all later. I feel so awkward as I think she feels I should help her financially but DH is not keen on the idea. She’s a very shallow, gossipy woman so she hasn’t done herself any favours over the years (we aren’t very close ). Besides , he has his DM to think about.

AIBU not helping her or feeling obligated to do so?

OP posts:
Despair1 · 09/07/2024 14:33

DebbieDownerBB · 09/07/2024 14:21

They have about £200k in savings from what I can gather. She is saying surgery could cost £25k. I feel like this seems very high for one knee unless she’s confused and thinking it’s both knees.

It would technically be my DH that would help as I am a SAHM. It would be household funds.

If they have that amount in savings, they are in a position to pay themselves!

ThistleWitch · 09/07/2024 14:33

DebbieDownerBB · 09/07/2024 14:29

Someone’s triggered, lol. They are classified as Baby Boomers. I am classified as Gen X. They are mid 70’s. I am mid forties. Calm down.

Did you mean to be so rude?

jannier · 09/07/2024 14:34

Marshfritillary · 09/07/2024 14:21

Why did you have to say in your heading that your parents are baby boomers? It's not relevant to your query, unless you want to just get the sympathy of baby boomer bashers. Half of baby boomers are not elderly and still working age. You said you are late Gen X, quite unnecessarily, so presumably only just younger than many baby boomers.

Agree.....it also suggests to me all baby boomers are rolling in money and getting massive pensions and all Gen X are struggling. Totally irrelevant individual circumstances are what matter

cheezncrackers · 09/07/2024 14:35

No, I wouldn't be helping OP, because your DM has pissed money up the wall that could've been spent on your DF's knee surgery getting herself face lifts and tummy tucks FFS! But tbh I wouldn't be drawn into arguments about it - how they spend their money is their business - but how you spend yours is your business and I would not be funding surgeries for either of them. Their foolishness and fecklessness with money is their problem, not yours.

Hummingbird75 · 09/07/2024 14:35

They can use their savings, that is what it is for. I would not get involved. They can organise this themselves. I would however visit when he has the operation with a gift or similar. Offer to stay for a night or two to give them a hand.

Do not pay, under any circumstances, it is not fair on your children op - the next generation are going to find life much tougher. I would be saving money for them.

SuncreamAndIceCream · 09/07/2024 14:36

200k in savings and they are hinting that you should pay!

Lol, no.

Yanbu.

GruntledGoblin · 09/07/2024 14:36

Help if you are able to help. In years to come, when your parents are no longer here, it's then too late to regret actions you didn't take. I hear what you're saying about the foolishness of their financial decisions and your relationship with them in general. My experience is that this is very common as our parents become elderly. And although it's all exasperating, take the higher road. 😘

Bananabreadandstrawberries · 09/07/2024 14:36

Despair1 · 09/07/2024 14:13

Depending on what their savings are (ie would they have much if they paid for op privately?), I would fund the op if you are in a position to do so. They are your parents!

Definitely don’t pay for this.

They have not helped OP financially or otherwise since 18 (I think) and have squandered money and have savings. There is also the public health system and no reason they can’t go public.

Parents is not the same for all families.

ChampagneLassie · 09/07/2024 14:36

Beamur · 09/07/2024 14:26

Google says private price of knee replacement is on average £14, 000.
Waiting list is unlikely to be 9 years. If you have a clinical need the waiting time for a first appointment is 18 weeks. NHS data.
Your Mum is not being truthful.
If they have savings they should use those first.

They’re not in UK though so this isn’t really relevant

Vinividivici · 09/07/2024 14:36

I'm confused why you are having this conversation with someone who has dementia? Why don't you speak with your dad?

Terrribletwos · 09/07/2024 14:38

DebbieDownerBB · 09/07/2024 14:05

Baby Boomer parents still married and are in their mid-seventies. My DM hasn’t worked since she was in her early 50’s due to chronic poor health (fibromyalgia etc). She was part-time / self-employed most of her 40’s. They moved overseas in their mid-50’s and DF was able to get well-paying work (physically hard job). He was on good money for 10-15 years and retired at 70. My DM was in charge of the finances until she was diagnosed with dementia in her early 70’s due to FND, history of depression , anxiety , arthritis etc.

During her late 50’s-early 60’s she spent a lot of money on things such as cruises and holidays, surgeries (expensive dental work , bariatric surgery x 2, tummy tuck, face lift ) and things like jewellery. DF buried his head in the sand re: finances.

I am late Gen X, moved out of house at 18, was able to get a degree and pay off my large student loan. I’ve been with my DH since I was 19 and he has been very fortunate to earn a lot of money in recent years. Since we had our child I have not returned to work (I guess it’s a very traditional family set up ). Child is in primary school.

I live a 12 hour drive away or a quick flight from my parents (I moved to their country in 2010). My brother is even further away - 2 flights and never visits them. We have suggested many times that they move close to either my brother or myself but they have refused. My child is their only grandchild and they’ve met him about 7 times since he was born. They are not active grandparents at all - even when visiting.

My mother constantly rings me pleading poverty and is anxious about what will happen to her if DF dies before her. They have a meager pension and savings, their home is mortgage free. They live comfortably day to day on their pension.

She just called today to announce that DF‘S knees are in terrible condition and he needs at least one knee replacement. Would cost considerable if done privately. Stupidly they had great health insurance but had recently swapped to another company and didn’t realise joint replacements weren’t covered. I’m fuming at their stupidity. I’m also fuming that she wasted so much money and lived beyond her means (something they would have judge US on if we had done the same thing). His knees have been bad for a good 15 years. I asked about going public but she says it would be 9 years on the waiting list. They do have private super / savings they could use to pay private but I guess DM is not wanting to dip into this in case she needs it all later. I feel so awkward as I think she feels I should help her financially but DH is not keen on the idea. She’s a very shallow, gossipy woman so she hasn’t done herself any favours over the years (we aren’t very close ). Besides , he has his DM to think about.

AIBU not helping her or feeling obligated to do so?

But she hasn't actually asked you for money yet?

ageratum1 · 09/07/2024 14:38

My next door neighbour waited 8 years for a hip replacement (and that was before covid) so I am nit disbelieving of waiting times

I think the fact you fldont want to make your parents comfortable says a lot about the piece of work you are.Maybe you are a product of your upbringing though?

AutumnFroglets · 09/07/2024 14:38

They have about £200k in savings from what I can gather. She is saying surgery could cost £25k.

That's all you needed to say. Seriously. None of this ageist crap.

No, I wouldn't financially help mine in that situation but I would help in getting the paperwork organised as both your parents seem unable to do "admin" properly.

TerfTalking · 09/07/2024 14:38

I wouldn’t pay if they have 200k in savings and a history of spending excessively. Not a bloody chance.

tennesseewhiskey1 · 09/07/2024 14:39

I get what others are saying re the whole baby boomer thing tho OP - why you felt the need to mention it - weird. Your OP is enough for people
to give opinions on. I don’t Think it’s ‘triggered’ anything - I think it just makes you sound silly
and detracts from the main question.

Whatnameshallihave · 09/07/2024 14:39

Marshfritillary · 09/07/2024 14:21

Why did you have to say in your heading that your parents are baby boomers? It's not relevant to your query, unless you want to just get the sympathy of baby boomer bashers. Half of baby boomers are not elderly and still working age. You said you are late Gen X, quite unnecessarily, so presumably only just younger than many baby boomers.

Yes it would be much easier just to say "parents in mid-seventies, I'm in my 40s" (or whatever). I hate these generational terms as it doesn't really tell you anything (and I always have to stop and think roughly what age is meant).

windyweather66 · 09/07/2024 14:40

Given that they have £200k in savings you (or your DH) should definitely NOT be funding the knee surgery.

Don't be guilt tripped into it, they may never need that money for old age, as there's no guarantee they'll live enough to need it.

DebbieDownerBB · 09/07/2024 14:41

jannier · 09/07/2024 14:34

Agree.....it also suggests to me all baby boomers are rolling in money and getting massive pensions and all Gen X are struggling. Totally irrelevant individual circumstances are what matter

Well it’s the inverse here. I mean they aren’t completely povo but DH and I live frugally compared to household income and have built up our wealth over the last 15 years. We are assuming we will have to fully fund ourselves in old age so have budgeted accordingly. Also budgeted to help DC with schooling and house etc

There’s plenty of poor baby boomers or people living quite modestly, regardless of generation.

OP posts:
FeatherBoas · 09/07/2024 14:41

I would let them pay, their money may all be used up in care home provision in the future as it sounds like neither are in great health. You may have to help out financially then, but while they have significant savings they should pay.

I can't imagine asking my adult DD to pay for an op for me when I could afford to pay for it myself. I might well do the reverse and pay for my DD even if she could afford it, just so she could keep her savings for the future.

Gymmum82 · 09/07/2024 14:41

They have plenty in savings to pay for it. Obviously that can all get eaten up by care if needed. But being comfortable in your later years is priority. Tell her to spend her own money on the knee replacement or wait on the NHS

rizzolizzo · 09/07/2024 14:41

It sounds like you don't want to fund them and they have the money themselves, so I think you should try to calmly explain this to your DM.

"It would technically be my DH that would help as I am a SAHM" - not sure I agree with this. Don't you consider it joint money?

SwordToFlamethrower · 09/07/2024 14:43

Jeez you seem luke a horrible, spiteful person. I feel sorry for your parents.

Bananabreadandstrawberries · 09/07/2024 14:43

“Hi Parents, sorry to hear about dads knee.
We are really poor too, we have even less savings and I don’t even have an income as a SAHM, and we have DC to raise and our future planning too. We are still paying off our student loans - it was so hard going when we were younger with no help at all.

Maybe you could join the public hospital waitlist first, no harm in that. Otherwise you could consider using your savings if you want it sooner. Lucky you have so many assets to sell like your house or jewellery if you need it.

Would be nice to see you sometime!”

PermanentTemporary · 09/07/2024 14:43

I'm finding your presentation of all this quite muddled.

Tbh it's fine not to pay for private health care for your parents, for any reason. I get the feeling you don't like either of your parents much.

FND is not the same as dementia and your view of what her health problems are seems a bit all over the place. Do you ever talk to your dad?

Why not do something really simple? Stop judging and labelling them and stop feeling guilty - unless you're going to do something, it's a pointless emotion - and just have a video call conversation with both of them, almost as if you were meeting them for the first time. See if they have any ideas about ways they could improve their lives. That chance for them to think it all through, prioritise and bounce ideas around might be really valuable. None of that means you have to get your credit card out.

CharlotteRumpling · 09/07/2024 14:43

Have this conversation with someone who doesnt have dementia.
Find out the true facts.

I am also Gen X and have entirely funded myself, and so has DH by living frugally. We haven't received a penny from our parents. I will still be helping my mum if she needs any medical help. But if you dislike your mum so much, don't.