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To not help my elderly baby boomer parents

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DebbieDownerBB · 09/07/2024 14:05

Baby Boomer parents still married and are in their mid-seventies. My DM hasn’t worked since she was in her early 50’s due to chronic poor health (fibromyalgia etc). She was part-time / self-employed most of her 40’s. They moved overseas in their mid-50’s and DF was able to get well-paying work (physically hard job). He was on good money for 10-15 years and retired at 70. My DM was in charge of the finances until she was diagnosed with dementia in her early 70’s due to FND, history of depression , anxiety , arthritis etc.

During her late 50’s-early 60’s she spent a lot of money on things such as cruises and holidays, surgeries (expensive dental work , bariatric surgery x 2, tummy tuck, face lift ) and things like jewellery. DF buried his head in the sand re: finances.

I am late Gen X, moved out of house at 18, was able to get a degree and pay off my large student loan. I’ve been with my DH since I was 19 and he has been very fortunate to earn a lot of money in recent years. Since we had our child I have not returned to work (I guess it’s a very traditional family set up ). Child is in primary school.

I live a 12 hour drive away or a quick flight from my parents (I moved to their country in 2010). My brother is even further away - 2 flights and never visits them. We have suggested many times that they move close to either my brother or myself but they have refused. My child is their only grandchild and they’ve met him about 7 times since he was born. They are not active grandparents at all - even when visiting.

My mother constantly rings me pleading poverty and is anxious about what will happen to her if DF dies before her. They have a meager pension and savings, their home is mortgage free. They live comfortably day to day on their pension.

She just called today to announce that DF‘S knees are in terrible condition and he needs at least one knee replacement. Would cost considerable if done privately. Stupidly they had great health insurance but had recently swapped to another company and didn’t realise joint replacements weren’t covered. I’m fuming at their stupidity. I’m also fuming that she wasted so much money and lived beyond her means (something they would have judge US on if we had done the same thing). His knees have been bad for a good 15 years. I asked about going public but she says it would be 9 years on the waiting list. They do have private super / savings they could use to pay private but I guess DM is not wanting to dip into this in case she needs it all later. I feel so awkward as I think she feels I should help her financially but DH is not keen on the idea. She’s a very shallow, gossipy woman so she hasn’t done herself any favours over the years (we aren’t very close ). Besides , he has his DM to think about.

AIBU not helping her or feeling obligated to do so?

OP posts:
LawrieForShepherdsBoy · 10/07/2024 04:18

@DebbieDownerBB you are getting a hard time here because of how your posts are written. You sound very fond of your dad. Am I right that he loves her and has supported her throughout her illnesses? Is he aware of how you feel about her?

DebbieDownerBB · 10/07/2024 04:29

LawrieForShepherdsBoy · 10/07/2024 04:18

@DebbieDownerBB you are getting a hard time here because of how your posts are written. You sound very fond of your dad. Am I right that he loves her and has supported her throughout her illnesses? Is he aware of how you feel about her?

DF knows that she upsets my brother and I with her behaviour. I almost never call her out on it as I just can’t be bothered - she will never change. The odd time she acts erratically or just plain rude I just ignore it, then she pretends it never happened (trust me, she hasn’t forgotten). My DB clashes with her more and calls her out almost every time. My DF is very loyal and he just gets defensive about her behaviour. Last time DB called her out she got so offended she went NC on him (blocked him on SM etc). DF did a terrible job at mediating between the two. He is very introverted and stoic.

DM also went NC on another very close relative after falling out with them.

I don’t dislike my mother. Sure, there’s not a lot of respect there but I do spend time with her and keep everything cordial.

OP posts:
HaileyBailey · 10/07/2024 04:58

OP and her parents are in Australia

Morph22010 · 10/07/2024 04:59

Beamur · 09/07/2024 14:26

Google says private price of knee replacement is on average £14, 000.
Waiting list is unlikely to be 9 years. If you have a clinical need the waiting time for a first appointment is 18 weeks. NHS data.
Your Mum is not being truthful.
If they have savings they should use those first.

I’m not sure those online waiting times are accurate, I’m waiting on an appointment for a different hospital department at the minute and online wait is shown for first outpatients appointment is 19 weeks, I’ve been waiting since sept and haven’t even got a date yet. I get a text every now and again asking if I want to come off the wait list, I called around Easter time to chase up and they said they were at that point sending out appointments from referrals from the previous July, so it’s way over the 19 weeks that is showing.

however saying that my mum recently had a knee replacement and the wait was no where near 9 years, in total inthinj it was a little over a year. She had it in a private hospital funded by the nhs. The wait is longer is someone has to have the actual knee replacement op in an nhs hospital as they are higher risk due to heart problems or other complications

Marchitectmummy · 10/07/2024 05:58

Gosh so much to say about this, but to keep it short, it sounds like your parents have the ability to pay for the op themselves and have more than adequate funding around them with their house and savings.

Perhaps be honest with them about your general disdain for them that is so clear in every message here and I'm sure they will then be happy to spend all of their money in their life rather than leave it for you and your brother to inherit.

Problem solved.

BarryCantSwim · 10/07/2024 06:02

I didn’t get past the first page. Mortgage free and £200k in savings plus a pension.

thatstakingalongtimetoboil · 10/07/2024 06:16

Let them downsize their house to free up some money. Maybe they can treat you to some of it aswell. No I would t have any sympathy Can't stand older people who don't realise how good they. Had it. They just sit on their money and do t even think of helping others. Then they get immobile and expect help for themselves. It doesn't work like that.

thatstakingalongtimetoboil · 10/07/2024 06:20

Just saw she has 200 k in savings so why on earth would you pay ? What's the point to this post then ! Tell her to use her savings 🙄🙄

Mrsdyna · 10/07/2024 06:23

If they have 200k in savings, then no of course I wouldn't pay for it.

Seems like they've lived quite foolishly and the changing of insurers was very poorly thought out.

I am also a housewife because my DH, who I married young, earns so much so I understand you well. Ultimately I wouldn't pay for them unless they had no savings.

Gremlinsateit · 10/07/2024 06:28

OP, if you’re in the country I think you’re in, public knee replacement waiting time should be less than a year and private should be less than the figure you mentioned. Given your mother’s complex mental health issues it would be sensible to check the information you’re getting about savings, waiting times, surgery costs and health insurance coverage.

Andwegoroundagain · 10/07/2024 06:40

I think just simply say " sorry to hear about the knee mum, hope it's not too painful. Have you got on the waiting list for surgery? You never know it may be quicker than you think!"

She hasn't asked you to fund it as far as I can see. If she does then you just say sorry mum, we don't have a lot of spare cash with me being a sahm and all.

Tenaciousbeyondallthings · 10/07/2024 07:01

The one thing you keep reiterating that has hacked you off above all things is the insurance change. However I just can't get my head around why this mistake is your mums 'fault' ?

In your own words she has 'FND that has affected her cognitive ability' .. and your own father has POA for her ..

Surely the insurance issue if anyones 'fault' it's your dads !

In a slightly different note - if they have managed to pay off a mortgage, pensions good enough to live on AND £200k in the bank after that - then I'm pretty glad they managed to enjoy there 60s/70s. You are a long time dead .

decionsdecisions62 · 10/07/2024 07:23

You don't seem that close so leave it. You are not under contract!

On another note... I hate this 'baby boomer parents' thing. It's derogatory and implies you have views that all people born before 1962 or something have had a party all their lives and are rubbing their children's noses in it.

LemonandLimeCake · 10/07/2024 07:34

Morph22010 · 10/07/2024 04:59

I’m not sure those online waiting times are accurate, I’m waiting on an appointment for a different hospital department at the minute and online wait is shown for first outpatients appointment is 19 weeks, I’ve been waiting since sept and haven’t even got a date yet. I get a text every now and again asking if I want to come off the wait list, I called around Easter time to chase up and they said they were at that point sending out appointments from referrals from the previous July, so it’s way over the 19 weeks that is showing.

however saying that my mum recently had a knee replacement and the wait was no where near 9 years, in total inthinj it was a little over a year. She had it in a private hospital funded by the nhs. The wait is longer is someone has to have the actual knee replacement op in an nhs hospital as they are higher risk due to heart problems or other complications

@Morph22010 They don't live in the UK so those times and costs are irrelevant.
Posters have sussed they are in Oz.

LemonandLimeCake · 10/07/2024 07:41

DebbieDownerBB · 10/07/2024 04:29

DF knows that she upsets my brother and I with her behaviour. I almost never call her out on it as I just can’t be bothered - she will never change. The odd time she acts erratically or just plain rude I just ignore it, then she pretends it never happened (trust me, she hasn’t forgotten). My DB clashes with her more and calls her out almost every time. My DF is very loyal and he just gets defensive about her behaviour. Last time DB called her out she got so offended she went NC on him (blocked him on SM etc). DF did a terrible job at mediating between the two. He is very introverted and stoic.

DM also went NC on another very close relative after falling out with them.

I don’t dislike my mother. Sure, there’s not a lot of respect there but I do spend time with her and keep everything cordial.

Of course you dislike your mother.

Every post here shows that. You need to start being honest with yourself. Maybe that' s a hard pill to swallow, but you need to own your feelings.

Your very first post starting 'Baby Boomers' showed your 'envy' of their lifestyle.

Yes they have been careless with money.

But on the other hand, you're not working, your H earns 10x what you did/ could - so that's possibly in the £250k- £300K region (or the Oz equivalent) .
So, who are you to judge your parents?

Your Mum has a neuro disorder that affects her judgement.
But the facts are they have £200K in the bank and a pension.
If they need to find £15k-ish for your Dad's op, they can do it.

That' s all there is to it.

I think your dilemma is that you are extremely rich (the posts about being able to create a trust fund for your future grandchildren when your own child is still in primary school) so its' your own wealth that's making you feel guilty.

You need to be honest with your own emotions.

123letsblaze · 10/07/2024 07:43

You sound very bitter and judgemental towards your mother. From what I can just see as a personality clash. You don't have to lend them money but your posts don't make you come across as the nicest of people either.

StMarieforme · 10/07/2024 07:55

Well. So much hate in your username and thread title that I can't read it.

Good grief.

guineverehadgreeneyes · 10/07/2024 17:44

"My DM was in charge of the finances until she was diagnosed with dementia in her early 70’s due to FND, history of depression , anxiety , arthritis etc."

Patients diagnosed with FND (Functional Neurological Disorder) may show cognitive symptoms like confusion, memory impairment and difficulty concentrating but in FND, the brain shows no physical changes.

FND is not classified as dementia.

DPotter · 10/07/2024 18:54

Again - what's with all the snippy comments ? - totally un-necessary. If you don't like how the OP has worded her posts, chosen her user name and orders her life then close this thread down and go to another where the OP is more worthy of your comments.

Valeriekat · 10/07/2024 21:48

Despair1 · 09/07/2024 14:13

Depending on what their savings are (ie would they have much if they paid for op privately?), I would fund the op if you are in a position to do so. They are your parents!

No, you or your children will need that money in the future.

Valeriekat · 10/07/2024 21:54

And don't skivvy for her either. Your child and husband need you more than she does. She has savings and pension she should dip into those.
She is asking that you impoverish yourselves because she was extravagant.

LameBorzoi · 11/07/2024 00:03

If they are in Australia, wait times are NOT 9 years. Under a year for my family member.

They also couldn't get it done privately without top insurance, even if they had the money. They needed to be covered in case they needed ICU.

HollaHolla · 11/07/2024 10:11

HazelBite · 09/07/2024 19:30

Anyone whose need for joint replacement is seriously URGENT will get one fairly quickly in this country. I know as I was getting to the stage where I was unable to walk, my friend had her hip replaced quickly because of the serious effect her hip was having on her mobility.
There are a lot of people waiting for replacements who have not tried making things more comfortable and better for themselves by losing weight and doing helpful physiotherapy, who will sit around complaining that they have to wait. Perhaps the OP needs to ask if her father has had his condition properly assessed before any talk of parting with cash to fund such a procedure is considered?

Maybe that's your experience, but sadly, not mine....
I am struggling to walk very far, can't put socks on very easily, struggle to get out of bed, etc. I'm 47, have lost 2 stones, doing physio, and waiting for a total knee replacement. I've been on the list since January 2024 - and I'm told that it will be Summer 2025 before I get the surgery.

user1471538283 · 20/07/2024 09:25

She's trying to make it your problem. Is it really for your DF? But they have savings so they can sort it out

My DM tried to make things my problem because I was parentified. I was expected to provide for her (when she never provided for me). I hated the way she babied herself. When I refused she would scream. She too spent money like water and then complained when it ran out. Oh well.

I would ignore it. It's not your problem.

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