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To not help my elderly baby boomer parents

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DebbieDownerBB · 09/07/2024 14:05

Baby Boomer parents still married and are in their mid-seventies. My DM hasn’t worked since she was in her early 50’s due to chronic poor health (fibromyalgia etc). She was part-time / self-employed most of her 40’s. They moved overseas in their mid-50’s and DF was able to get well-paying work (physically hard job). He was on good money for 10-15 years and retired at 70. My DM was in charge of the finances until she was diagnosed with dementia in her early 70’s due to FND, history of depression , anxiety , arthritis etc.

During her late 50’s-early 60’s she spent a lot of money on things such as cruises and holidays, surgeries (expensive dental work , bariatric surgery x 2, tummy tuck, face lift ) and things like jewellery. DF buried his head in the sand re: finances.

I am late Gen X, moved out of house at 18, was able to get a degree and pay off my large student loan. I’ve been with my DH since I was 19 and he has been very fortunate to earn a lot of money in recent years. Since we had our child I have not returned to work (I guess it’s a very traditional family set up ). Child is in primary school.

I live a 12 hour drive away or a quick flight from my parents (I moved to their country in 2010). My brother is even further away - 2 flights and never visits them. We have suggested many times that they move close to either my brother or myself but they have refused. My child is their only grandchild and they’ve met him about 7 times since he was born. They are not active grandparents at all - even when visiting.

My mother constantly rings me pleading poverty and is anxious about what will happen to her if DF dies before her. They have a meager pension and savings, their home is mortgage free. They live comfortably day to day on their pension.

She just called today to announce that DF‘S knees are in terrible condition and he needs at least one knee replacement. Would cost considerable if done privately. Stupidly they had great health insurance but had recently swapped to another company and didn’t realise joint replacements weren’t covered. I’m fuming at their stupidity. I’m also fuming that she wasted so much money and lived beyond her means (something they would have judge US on if we had done the same thing). His knees have been bad for a good 15 years. I asked about going public but she says it would be 9 years on the waiting list. They do have private super / savings they could use to pay private but I guess DM is not wanting to dip into this in case she needs it all later. I feel so awkward as I think she feels I should help her financially but DH is not keen on the idea. She’s a very shallow, gossipy woman so she hasn’t done herself any favours over the years (we aren’t very close ). Besides , he has his DM to think about.

AIBU not helping her or feeling obligated to do so?

OP posts:
Caththegreat · 09/07/2024 15:33

Don't tell people to calm down.We don't have to accept these classifications and their sheer ignorance and cruelty

LemonandLimeCake · 09/07/2024 15:35

Do you think your anger at your Mum is because you could possibly see your own behaviour reflected there? Choosing not to work because you have a high earning husband?

Your relationship sounds toxic and complicated, far more than you're saying here.

I'd query why you would move to the US or Oz when you didn't get on in the first place.

Maybe beside the point, but as you feel so strongly over this and feel some sense of obligation to pay, despite your toxic relationship, have you ever considered therapy?

Your mum seems to have a hold over you still. And not in a good way.

LemonandLimeCake · 09/07/2024 15:35

Caththegreat · 09/07/2024 15:33

Don't tell people to calm down.We don't have to accept these classifications and their sheer ignorance and cruelty

They are commonly used expressions and I'm not offended at all being a Baby Boomer.

DebbieDownerBB · 09/07/2024 15:35

fleabites · 09/07/2024 15:23

Since we had our child I have not returned to work (I guess it’s a very traditional family set up ). Child is in primary school

You go on about how your mother hasn't worked since her mid 40s. There were reasons for that due to ill-health. Before that you say she was part-time, presumably she was bringing up the family at the same time.
You have not returned to work after having your child and that's your choice and if your family can afford it then that's fair enough and your family's decision. But let's hope your child doesn't post on MN in 40 years time complaining about her Gen X mother who spent years out of work.

Not sure what my work status has to do with the situation. I mean I could go back to work and give them some of my income if that’s what you mean. But then my child would have to go to after school care etc, lose his after school classes / hobbies. DH is paid a lot but he needs to be available so I do the day to day stuff.

DH and I have budgeted to help our child with schooling, a house etc. TBH there’s probably even enough for a trust fund for the grandkids later on if things go well. I am looking forward to being an active grandparent and taking them to school, paying for swimming lessons, school fees etc.

OP posts:
Caththegreat · 09/07/2024 15:36

So what.They are nasty and ageist

CharlotteRumpling · 09/07/2024 15:36

I am going to assume, OP, that as you are unwilling to have a convo with your sentient, loving, sensible dad, this entire convo is to encourage posters to have a go at your shallow, frivolous mum in contrast to you and your frugal DH.

Octavia64 · 09/07/2024 15:37

If they own their own house and have 200k in savings and are getting a pension then they are quite rich surely?

I don't understand why they would be wanting you to pay for it, other than anxiety.

(My own mum has a lot of savings but is obsessed with saving money in case she goes into care and no amount of money will ever convince her she isn't poor)

MereDintofPandiculation · 09/07/2024 15:37

Not sure what my work status has to do with the situation. You’re criticising your mother for not working while not working yourself

LittleMy77 · 09/07/2024 15:38

I wouldn't help them but I would encourage him to get them done asap, esp if he is a carer for your mum and her condition deteriorates. My dad put his off for 5 years and really struggled with mobility the last year or so which has massively impacted on his mental health, ability to do stuff etc

At this age, he should be mobile within about 6 weeks, but will take a further 3-6 months to fully bed in. The longer he leaves it, the older he gets and the harder recovery will be. Selfishly I'd also consider this and how they cope post op as he won't be able to drive etc for a a few weeks - are they likely to expect you to go and stay with them to help?

SmudgeButt · 09/07/2024 15:39

LemonandLimeCake · 09/07/2024 15:24

@SmudgeButt The OP and her parents don't live in the UK so the figures and stats don't apply.

She hasn't said where they live but if it's a 12 hour drive, it's not the UK and the other option she says is a long flight.

It's a large continent so either US, Canada, Oz or maybe S Africa.

Agree but I was responding to a comment using UK/NHS figures.

Can't be the US as people with money don't have an alternative but to go private. Canada has the same kind of waits as there are in the UK. Not sure about Australia or SA.

LemonandLimeCake · 09/07/2024 15:39

DebbieDownerBB · 09/07/2024 15:35

Not sure what my work status has to do with the situation. I mean I could go back to work and give them some of my income if that’s what you mean. But then my child would have to go to after school care etc, lose his after school classes / hobbies. DH is paid a lot but he needs to be available so I do the day to day stuff.

DH and I have budgeted to help our child with schooling, a house etc. TBH there’s probably even enough for a trust fund for the grandkids later on if things go well. I am looking forward to being an active grandparent and taking them to school, paying for swimming lessons, school fees etc.

You do see that despite ridiculing your Mum for not working much, you've done the same?

Many women work for the stimulation and using their brains even if they don't need the money as a couple.

I could have not worked - we could have managed on H's income - but I wanted to work, not waste my degree.
Your own child is still in primary school yet you're talking about being a grandparent and boasting they could have a trust fund? All from your H's income, not yours.

I think you need to consider therapy to talk about your Mum.
You are far too invested in what is a simple decision.

It's not about being a baby boomer etc at all.

It's about your parents being VERY well off in their younger years (regardless of the demography) and now asking you to give them money (even though they have enough to pay.)

TruthorDie · 09/07/2024 15:40

Zero chance of me getting involved if l was you. Not sure where to start with this! Blowing money on rubbish, going part time in 40’s, retiring early etc. All sounds very indulgent to me and now it’s come home to roost. Dare you to suggest they down size -spoiler they won’t want to, say it’s “not fair” etc etc. I haven’t even got to the barely bother to see the grandchildren

cestlavielife · 09/07/2024 15:41

If she wants knees done she has the funds to pay just say yes very nice I suggest you go ahead .

Up to them

CharlotteRumpling · 09/07/2024 15:41

Her mum had fibromyalgia, a very serious and debilitating disease. Which is why she retired early.

fleabites · 09/07/2024 15:42

DebbieDownerBB · 09/07/2024 15:35

Not sure what my work status has to do with the situation. I mean I could go back to work and give them some of my income if that’s what you mean. But then my child would have to go to after school care etc, lose his after school classes / hobbies. DH is paid a lot but he needs to be available so I do the day to day stuff.

DH and I have budgeted to help our child with schooling, a house etc. TBH there’s probably even enough for a trust fund for the grandkids later on if things go well. I am looking forward to being an active grandparent and taking them to school, paying for swimming lessons, school fees etc.

It's not about you going back to work and giving them income.
It's about you choosing not to work, and as I said, that's fair enough if it works for you.
But at the same time you are criticizing your mother for not working when she was unable to do so because of ill-health.
So you can't decide not to work, yet bash someone else for deciding not to work or being unable to work.

BruFord · 09/07/2024 15:42

Tbh, it sounds as if your Dad hasn’t been sensible about finances, because he’s let your Mum spend all this money knowing that she was overspending to cope with health problems.

As a PP suggested, why don’t you speak directly your Dad about the situation. I know from elderly relatives that bad knees can severely restrict longterm mobility, he’s likely to need a walker in a few years if he doesn’t get them replaced. His knees will only get worse and more painful.

I agree that they should use savings to get them done, but your Dad really needs to take charge of their finances.

LemonandLimeCake · 09/07/2024 15:42

DH is paid a lot but he needs to be available so I do the day to day stuff.

I'm sure you realise that in the UK, women work in high powered jobs as well, and they pay for childcare and the day to day stuff.

LemonandLimeCake · 09/07/2024 15:43

CharlotteRumpling · 09/07/2024 15:41

Her mum had fibromyalgia, a very serious and debilitating disease. Which is why she retired early.

But she wasn't too ill to go on cruises and spend £thousands on holidays and having her face lifted!

Allfur · 09/07/2024 15:44

DebbieDownerBB · 09/07/2024 15:35

Not sure what my work status has to do with the situation. I mean I could go back to work and give them some of my income if that’s what you mean. But then my child would have to go to after school care etc, lose his after school classes / hobbies. DH is paid a lot but he needs to be available so I do the day to day stuff.

DH and I have budgeted to help our child with schooling, a house etc. TBH there’s probably even enough for a trust fund for the grandkids later on if things go well. I am looking forward to being an active grandparent and taking them to school, paying for swimming lessons, school fees etc.

Not sure how them being boomers has got anything to do with the situaton

PuddlesPityParty · 09/07/2024 15:45

MereDintofPandiculation · 09/07/2024 15:37

Not sure what my work status has to do with the situation. You’re criticising your mother for not working while not working yourself

She hasn’t though has she - she’s criticised her for frivolous spending.

Whatnameshallihave · 09/07/2024 15:46

DPotter · 09/07/2024 15:03

Really don't get why so many posters are being snippy. The bad weather must be really getting to you all.

It's a perfectly reasonable question, asked in perfectly reasonable manner. We all use terms such as baby boomers, gen x to give in 2 words what could take 2 sentences to say.

OP is asking ahead of a question she thinks is heading her way - again perfectly reasonable. You could say she's getting her ducks in a row.

And if you can't appreciate some families aren't all cosy and nice, then you've lead a very fortunate life.

We don't all use these terms. Baby boomer can be substituted for mid-seventies and Gen X for 40s - doesn't need two sentences and is far more accurate.

Mischance · 09/07/2024 15:46

I am retired and have a quarter of the savings they have. It has dwindled to this as I have used some of it to pay for necessary surgery as I wanted to be as active as possible. As my DDs said to me - money is there to spend on the things you need.

NHS waiting time in my neck of the woods for knee is 6 months. I assume you are in UK. Just google the waiting time for this surgery in their home town. Or are they abroad? Not quite clear from your OP.

wibblywobblywoo · 09/07/2024 15:46

GoingDownLikeBHS · 09/07/2024 15:31

Ok sorry I didnt get they were not in UK, was just wondering. But how does @SchoolQuestionnaire know their pension is meagre?! If you own your own home so no mortgage or rent, surely you can get by on a pension? But again, if not UK, what sort of pension are we talking about - a "meagre" one presumably?! I'll retire on UK state pension but hoping to own outright by then and if I do manage that I'll consider myself lucky to be honest - wonder why OP's parents don't consider themselves lucky too?

Again, it's in the OP - "They have a meager pension"

coldcallerbaiter · 09/07/2024 15:46

ThistleWitch · 09/07/2024 14:14

Where are they, that waiting list is very long

It’s not 9 years, I had 2 friends that did that operation recently. You can easily wait 2 years.

Allfur · 09/07/2024 15:47

Whatnameshallihave · 09/07/2024 15:46

We don't all use these terms. Baby boomer can be substituted for mid-seventies and Gen X for 40s - doesn't need two sentences and is far more accurate.

Agree, I don't use these terms