To like Keir Starmer?

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Unlike Tony Blair, he comes from a working class background - his siblings would still call themselves working class.

As a very bright lawyer, he could have sought a path which made him rich quickly but instead chose human rights which isn’t an easy route to take and he’s defended ‘the little guy’ against corporations. He’s also anti-death penalty.

Ok, he’s a Sir, and I’ve heard people (perhaps not unreasonably) question why the leader of the Labour Party would have a title like that. But he earned it through work for the criminal justice system.

On the face of it, it seems as though he deserves a chance.

I would much rather have him as PM than a former Bullingdon club member who used to burn money in front of homeless people for the fun of it.

There was a lot of tactical voting going on. Also, a lot of people didn't vote at all, probably because they felt it would nake no difference to the result.

If we had PR people would vote for the party they actually support, knowing it would have an impact. Reform would have probably got more seats, but they wouldn't have won the GE, which is the spin NF and RT are churning out.

That tends to happen with PR and when parties don't get an overall majority and can't do anything like with the Conservatives in 2017 or in 2010.

I hope things will be less unstable than the political instability we've had under the last lot of incompetent, corrupt windbags for the last 14 years.

We used to be a sensible, stable country until Cameron fucked it up, ruled by far right backbenchers. Everyone thinks we lost out minds since 2016.

-BREAKING NEWS-

Keir Starmer to resign. He could cope with uni after challenging upbringing, being a KC, leading CPS, turning around labour party within five years, getting a historically huge mandate in the general election

But someone told him @FinalCeleryScheme thinks he's not very clever and it's just broken him

Then why do you care? Worrying about something that will never affect you?

Far-right, far-tight, far-right. Everything is far-right. I want there to be multiple GEs a year. As many of them as possible.

I dispute your view that KS is not intelligent. All of the evidence suggests otherwise by any standard. I have no idea what your standard for intelligence actually is (and you clearly don’t want to say) but I’m not going to argue with you any more because it’s boring.

Oh dear, @FinalCeleryScheme is starting to sound a bit unhinged.

Starmer has done more than enough to prove his intelligence. In fact I'd question the intelligence of someone who could look at that CV and declare the holder "not clever".

It shows that you don't have the first clue what you're talking about.

It’s true though. The government shifted further to the right after Brexit.

On the radio, this morning I heard Tony Blair saying that any party that doesn’t stay in the centre will end up making a lot of people angry. Whatever you think of him, I think that’s a fair point.

This tactic is available to any party. Starmer was clever. He did not follow the general vote increasing idea (gets you vote share increase a la Corbyn but no power) and targetted vote areas. This is what the Conservatives have done for an age.

Play the game; you can change if you like, but strangely no government ever does: Labour or Conservative. The reasons are obvious

@FinalCeleryScheme I dispute your "not very clever" comment heartily. You don't get to be a QC, head of the CPS, or a postgrad qualification from Oxford by being "not very clever". I also know someone who worked in chambers with him, they said he was the brightest person they'd ever met.

And, to be frank, the sneering at universities like Leeds, implying that graduates from there are somehow sub-par, is just farcical.

Remember the COVID enquiry, where it emerged that Johnson couldn't grasp the science, and couldn't hold a single idea in his head for more than 30 minutes - is he your definition of bright because he's an Oxbridge graduate and can quote the Iliad in the original Greek?

I, too, have warmed to Starmer. He seems to be a decent person. Even Sunak said so!

The ability to consolidate votes across the majority of areas is why we have the voting system we have – there are pros to other voting systems, but the one we have is also sound for many reasons. They are also the first government to achieve a majority in all four nations – ever – which is very significant.

Now, now. I'm sure @FinalCeleryScheme will shortly be posting a full resume of his/her academic and professional qualifications and achievements to date.

That’s the Tory psychodrama for you. They did themselves in because of their appetite for conflict. Labour have a lot of discipline. They close ranks. The Tories do not!

You can’t be serious. Let me remind you of the Diana abbot scandal, the fight with momentum, the anti semites.

lot of discipline, 😂

I think he's the best qualified prime minister we've had in a LONG time, not just academically but from having a well rounded perspective of UK society, including having a partner who works in the NHS. I'm so looking forward to my child's education, health care and society being governed by a leader who understands the realities of life. About bloody time.

I agree with you OP. He might not be ideal but at least he's lived on the same planet as us, Rishi was just so removed. I'm enjoying keir's beigeness. Hoping we get some stability and dignity after nutty boris and truss, and less jockeying for power and nest feathering instead of doing things to benefit the country.

Let me remind you of something.

Boris Johnson is sacked by his own party for having drinks in lockdown. The chat, speculation and gossip about these incidents goes on for months from his own side who do a great job at keeping it in the headlines. Finally he is hounded out.

Keir Starmer is pictured having a beer during lockdown. He has nothing to fear because his entire party close ranks to protect him.

That is the difference. And as for Diane Abbott, can you point to the problem it created in reality? He won. She is now very quiet and neutral.

Whereas Suella Braverman could not keep her mouth shut on Sunak. She was just one example of how the Tories lost.

But that was with rishis marriage, Keir had a more privileged up bringing.

He’s also anti-death penalty.

I wasn't aware this was at risk of coming back? Oh he's anti death penalty in other countries where we have no influence.

Most people are anti death penalty.

Rishi Sunak went to Winchester College, one of the most prestigious public schools in the UK. His father was a doctor and his mother was a pharmacist who owned her own pharmacy.

Keir Starmer went to Reigate Grammar School. His father was a toolmaker and his mother was a nurse. When his school changed status to an independent school he was given a full bursary so his parents wouldn't have to pay the fees.

Same here. I voted Labour, mostly because I didn't feel I could vote for anyone else but partly because there were possible signs KS might be coming to his senses (or at least seeing which way the wind was blowing) on the gender and women's rights issue. I really hope he will do a good job. I don't care about charisma, but tbh I find him disingenuous and unconvincing. I'd genuinely love to be able to look back in a couple of years' time and say 'I was wrong to be suspicious, he's great.'

I am very excited to finally have qualified, real people in charge.

AGAIN, I am not disputing this and never said otherwise. I am disputing PP’s claim that he is clever because he persuaded the majority of the country to vote for Labour. He did not.

Interesting. I didn't like the inverted snobbery in your initial post and now here you are with a conventionally snobbish one. You really cover the spectrum, OP!

Nah, rishi himself admitted he had no working class fruends, his interactions with 'normal people' were PAINFUL to watch and his policies designed to help the plebs just didnt make SENSE to us. He was on a different planet entirely. Keir's not from the ghetto or anything but in comparison I think he's got more of a clue than rishi.