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To like Keir Starmer?

556 replies

Emmanuelll · 09/07/2024 09:02

Unlike Tony Blair, he comes from a working class background - his siblings would still call themselves working class.

As a very bright lawyer, he could have sought a path which made him rich quickly but instead chose human rights which isn’t an easy route to take and he’s defended ‘the little guy’ against corporations. He’s also anti-death penalty.

Ok, he’s a Sir, and I’ve heard people (perhaps not unreasonably) question why the leader of the Labour Party would have a title like that. But he earned it through work for the criminal justice system.

On the face of it, it seems as though he deserves a chance.

I would much rather have him as PM than a former Bullingdon club member who used to burn money in front of homeless people for the fun of it.

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Roseyjane · 09/07/2024 09:51

I like him too but he is rich and he didn’t come from a working class background no matter how much he downplays it, his father was a factory owner. He is middle class through and through and now very wealthy.

Turkeyhen · 09/07/2024 09:54

Roseyjane · 09/07/2024 09:51

I like him too but he is rich and he didn’t come from a working class background no matter how much he downplays it, his father was a factory owner. He is middle class through and through and now very wealthy.

Not true. Unless you count his dad setting up his own workshop as being a factory owner.

LumiB · 09/07/2024 09:54

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 09/07/2024 09:37

How does one "voluntarily pay extra tax"?

There is a link on the government website thay allows you to

lovelysunshine22 · 09/07/2024 09:55

As someone who has met him quite a few times in a non political area i would say that you would be very mistaken to think the nice, self effacing, mild man you see on TV is what he's really like! No one gets to the top without being prepared to tread on the heads of whoever they need to to get there!

Eastie77Returns · 09/07/2024 09:57

He seemed to grow massively in confidence overnight after winning the election. Before his speech on the morning of the 5th I didn’t think he seemed particularly statesman like. It’s good to look at Downing Street and see grownups in the room after the debacle of Johnson, Truss etc. I’m quietly hopeful.

I wonder if those commenting on his net worth were equally concerned about Rishi’s hundreds of millions, his town house in Kensington, the huge house in California and the mansion in Yorkshire? The tax avoidance he and his wife carefully constructed?

FinalCeleryScheme · 09/07/2024 09:58

If you read MN, Starmer can walk on water. And the Apostles in the cabinet are all shining beacons of rectitude, selflessness and humility.

The truth of it is that he and Labour generally are no better and no worse than any other ambitious politicians. I hope he’ll be sensible. And I hope he’ll admit his mistakes and failures. But that’s rare in any politician so it seems unlikely.

Roseyjane · 09/07/2024 09:59

lovelysunshine22 · 09/07/2024 09:55

As someone who has met him quite a few times in a non political area i would say that you would be very mistaken to think the nice, self effacing, mild man you see on TV is what he's really like! No one gets to the top without being prepared to tread on the heads of whoever they need to to get there!

I would assume that’s true, which is fine, you need someone who can stand their ground. The issue is he flip flops on so many issues, refuses to answer a lot of questions etc.

what is it one commentator said, he’s no idea of starmers politics, the only thing starmer is clear on is he wanted to be pm.

SnowFrogJelly · 09/07/2024 10:00

YANBU I think he's great!

Iffx · 09/07/2024 10:01

Emmanuelll · 09/07/2024 09:47

I wasn't judging him by class. 🙄 I often see people say that Tony Blair, although a socialist at university came from a very privileged background that would have given him more opportunities and confidence.

Talking about working class in this context is about what that person had to do to succeed.

He attended a selective school, which was excellent and turned into a private school whilst he was there. He has parents who loved him. I’d say that’s a bloody fantastic start in life.

you need to stop the “class” claptrap.

KimberleyClark · 09/07/2024 10:01

Ok, he’s a Sir, and I’ve heard people (perhaps not unreasonably) question why the leader of the Labour Party would have a title like that. But he earned it through work for the criminal justice system.

Quite, he didn’t buy it by donating to the party. He also never uses it, prefers everyone to just call him Keir.

SnowFrogJelly · 09/07/2024 10:01

YABVU. I think it's very dangerous to get warm and fuzzies for politicians

I like warm fuzzies

KimberleyClark · 09/07/2024 10:02

Iffx · 09/07/2024 10:01

He attended a selective school, which was excellent and turned into a private school whilst he was there. He has parents who loved him. I’d say that’s a bloody fantastic start in life.

you need to stop the “class” claptrap.

It was a grammar school which he got into on his own merits, and became independent while he was there.

hopscotcher · 09/07/2024 10:02

It doesn't really bother me whether a politician comes from a working class background or not - I guess it might help them understand the issues faced by ordinary people but it's irritating when mentioned too much.
However, I also quite like Starmer, and feel quite optimistic about his leadership, as if there's a sane adult in the room at last.

Emmanuelll · 09/07/2024 10:02

Iffx · 09/07/2024 10:01

He attended a selective school, which was excellent and turned into a private school whilst he was there. He has parents who loved him. I’d say that’s a bloody fantastic start in life.

you need to stop the “class” claptrap.

And you need to stop telling people what they can and can’t have an opinion about on a discussion forum.

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Iffx · 09/07/2024 10:04

SnowFrogJelly · 09/07/2024 10:01

YABVU. I think it's very dangerous to get warm and fuzzies for politicians

I like warm fuzzies

Save the warm fuzzies for your family and friends then. Not politicians. Keir Starmer is ideological to the point of danger: he’d let a family member suffer on a waiting list rather than paying for a private appointment (out of his multimillion pound assets!).

Iffx · 09/07/2024 10:05

Emmanuelll · 09/07/2024 10:02

And you need to stop telling people what they can and can’t have an opinion about on a discussion forum.

I’m going to type whatever I want. That’s how the internet works. Your obsession with class is ridiculous.

Allthecatseverywhereallatonce · 09/07/2024 10:05

I agree although it is not a popular view as he is apparently 'boring' I would rather have Keir than Boris hanging by his testicles from a zipline. That didn't work out so well.

Keir has a proven track record I am feeling optimistic about the future.

SnowFrogJelly · 09/07/2024 10:06

If you read MN, Starmer can walk on water. And the Apostles in the cabinet are all shining beacons of rectitude, selflessness and humility

I saw so many anti-Starmer threads on MN pre election .

teaandtoastwithmarmite · 09/07/2024 10:06

I like him as well

Helloworld56 · 09/07/2024 10:07

I like him. He appears to be solid and dependable. Let's see how he and his government shape up.

Emmanuelll · 09/07/2024 10:08

SnowFrogJelly · 09/07/2024 10:06

If you read MN, Starmer can walk on water. And the Apostles in the cabinet are all shining beacons of rectitude, selflessness and humility

I saw so many anti-Starmer threads on MN pre election .

Me too! That's why I started this one I guess.

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timetobegin · 09/07/2024 10:09

Let’s see if he actually does put vat on commercial education, protect sex based rights and the NHS, and condemn the killing in Gaza. So far so uninspiring but like most id love to see it all happen.

FinalCeleryScheme · 09/07/2024 10:10

Iffx · 09/07/2024 10:04

Save the warm fuzzies for your family and friends then. Not politicians. Keir Starmer is ideological to the point of danger: he’d let a family member suffer on a waiting list rather than paying for a private appointment (out of his multimillion pound assets!).

I’m no fan of Labour or Starmer. But this is a bit daft. So what if he’s got money? So what if he’s out for himself? I want a PM, not a flagellating penniless hermit.

I suspect he’ll fail because he’s actually not very clever, not very experienced and not very persuasive.

Roseyjane · 09/07/2024 10:10

Emmanuelll · 09/07/2024 10:02

And you need to stop telling people what they can and can’t have an opinion about on a discussion forum.

Why are people so desperate to rewrite his history, to the extent they get arsey when it’s pointed out he’s not working class and had a very privalged upbringing and is very wealthy. He is what he is.

IClaudine · 09/07/2024 10:11

SnowFrogJelly · 09/07/2024 10:06

If you read MN, Starmer can walk on water. And the Apostles in the cabinet are all shining beacons of rectitude, selflessness and humility

I saw so many anti-Starmer threads on MN pre election .

What a load of crap. This is not what MN is saying at all. People are just relieved to have a capable PM at the helm who isn't either a selfish clown, an out and out lunatic or a robot who can only communicate in sound bites.

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