To like Keir Starmer?

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Unlike Tony Blair, he comes from a working class background - his siblings would still call themselves working class.

As a very bright lawyer, he could have sought a path which made him rich quickly but instead chose human rights which isn’t an easy route to take and he’s defended ‘the little guy’ against corporations. He’s also anti-death penalty.

Ok, he’s a Sir, and I’ve heard people (perhaps not unreasonably) question why the leader of the Labour Party would have a title like that. But he earned it through work for the criminal justice system.

On the face of it, it seems as though he deserves a chance.

I would much rather have him as PM than a former Bullingdon club member who used to burn money in front of homeless people for the fun of it.

The problem with this Trans / women’s spaces issue is that nobody now wants to say anything and indeed is afraid to say anything in case they upset someone, or get called a misogynist or a bigot. It is a thorny issue.

I heard Blair on the radio today saying that it seems ridiculous that people are now having to argue what the legal definition of a woman is. I doubt he'd have felt able to say that if he were still the PM though.

Bachelor of Law postgraduate degree from Oxford.

I don't need to like him. I need him to be efficient and capable. Which he has so far shown himself to be. As I said on another thread, he's got to deal with a fucked economy, not fight Agincourt.

The state pension may not reach the tax threshold, but politics and inflation can make a difference.

Because that is also the legal position.
I’m not arguing about this. You very well know the legal position as does @Viewfrommyhouse
I should also point out that if you look at any comments under Starmer’s social media posts you’ll see lots of people criticising him for rolling back trans rights. It’s a topic where you can’t win.

Some of the comments on this thread make me wonder how some people in this country can be so poorly educated or brainwashed.

For example, Keir Starmer has changed his opinion or stance when given good reason to - like an ADULT. But people are accusing him of 'flip flopping' or not being able to stick to a definition or not know how to define. 👀really??? You prefer a politician who just rattles off what they think you want to hear to get your vote?

I'm sorry but if you're that obtuse then heaven help you. The ability to consider different views and information and adapt is a strength not a weakness.

There are almost 67 million people in this country with varying opinions of how to get out of debt, how to generate wealth, how to solve the VAST number of problems we face...if you want a leader who is going to meet the needs of people and try to understand what is working or not YOU NEED A PERSON THAT CAN BE OPEN AND CHANGE THEIR OPINION.

What we all just witnessed in the campaigning was the media and career politicians using all their might to force people to answer questions on policies on the spot, often on life broadcast. I'm sorry, but do you really want people running the country to make up policies for 67 million people on the spot because a bleeping journalist asked them to? A answer which could impact the financial markets? Or lead to them being fearful of losing their power by admitting what they said was wrong? OR would you rather have a leader that's not going to be bullied for a sound bite?

I'm a woman. I've lived in four countries. I know that for as long as the world has turned - no matter what you call them - there have been people who are one sex and prefer to live as the other. Those people have been using the toilets that suit them for a long long long time. This is not new. When I was 23 working abroad in Los Angels working at Fortune 500 there was a transwoman who worked there. She used the women's 'restroom' and I just thought ok she's not bothering anyone. Not an issue. In Canada a gay colleague pointe

But the MEDIA made it an issue. And so many people got baited into it. Ladies, I hate to tell you but woman have been disguising themselves as woman for hundreds if not thousands of years. And men have been doing the same. If a criminal wants to disguise themselves as a different sex to get into your public toilet, change room, fitting room, safe place - they're going to try to do it. It's not a criminal offence for a man to be in a woman's toilet. There are different sexes cleaning - for goodness sakes a man trying to find a reason to be in a women's loo is more likely to pretend to be a cleaner then pretend to be trans.

In a recent census in the UK approximately 262,000 people out of a country of 67 million indicated they do not identify with the gender they had at birth. And yet there are people on mumsnet admitting that they voted for the Prime Minister of all of us based on this topic. That's madness. Of all the issues that we face, you chose your PM based on that? Wow. Talk about making irrational decisions.

You're right, I do know the legal position - THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO LEGAL POSITION as you claim.

I heard Blair on the radio today saying that it seems ridiculous that people are now having to argue what the legal definition of a woman is. I doubt he'd have felt able to say that if he were still the PM though.

That seems crazy though. Surely the vast majority of people, and therefore voters, do not actually believe that people can change sex? I find it hard to believe that some kind of statement saying 'We absolutely support trans people's right to call themselves what they like, wear what they like and to be free from discrimination and harm, but nobody can change sex, men are biological males, women are biological females' wouldn't have gained any party more votes than it would have lost them.

I find Keir Starmer sexy suddenly.

Just putting it out there.

no it wasn’t the scum comment

Great. Then we don’t have to worry that the EA references women then. It doesn’t need clarification, because under law it only has one meaning. Fantastic.

We are having a serious discussion here 😮

So do I

What then?

To be honest your tone isn’t exactly wanting me to open up to you, so I shall leave it at that. We don’t have to like everyone

'*For example, Keir Starmer has changed his opinion or stance when given good reason to - like an ADULT. But people are accusing him of 'flip flopping' or not being able to stick to a definition or not know how to define. 👀really???'

'You prefer a politician who just rattles off what they think you want to hear to get your vote?'

That is EXACTLY what he did - he saw the absolute clusterfuck that Nicola Sturgeon created and ultimately ballsed her career over with her whole 'TWAW/male rapists should be in female prisons' mantra and godawful GRA changes. Only then did he decide to back track and, ya know, maybe women DON'T have penises after all!?!

I'd have more respect for him of he had the courage of his convictions at least.

My tone? I asked what you didn’t like and made a suggestion. You said it wasn’t that so I asked what it was. But Ok. You obviously don’t have to answer. But pointless posting if you don’t want to discuss it though.

WTF

What is libellous about stating that Sir Kier Starmer was DPP when Jimmy Savile was(nt) prosecuted for his crimes against women and children?

The poster didn’t say what the point about JS was.

The poster didn’t state that.

I suppose he was quite pretty when he was younger.

Can't you see that people like you are part of the problem? Insulting people and calling them thick, racists, bigots etc is going to drive them towards the far right even more.

This all started with Tony Blair's open door policy and when people voiced their concerns they were shut down with insults. I remember Gordon Brown calling a middle aged lady a bigot because she challenged him on immigration and the economy. He didn't realise his microphone was still switched on but it was obvious what he thought of her and how dismissive he was of her concerns.

Nothing has changed since then and people are still not being listened to and yet you wonder why Farage and Reform are gaining popularity.

Nobody has ever had an open door policy, @2dogsandabudgie
And even a cursory look at the impact studies done before Brexit showed it would be detrimental. Still voting for it suggests a certain lack of critical thinking.

Oh, and Reform aren’t gaining popularity. They got roughly the same number of votes as UKIP. Their popularity is (inexplicably) holding is the best you can say.

No people like me are not ‘part of the problem’. I’m still angry about Brexit and that might come out in my posts - if you don’t like it, I don’t care.

Whilst David Cameron is the main architect for this chaos, and then Farage and Johnson lying, people voted Leave because they didn’t like the number of Polish people they saw living here. They did not do research about what leaving the EU would mean. They ignored leading economists warning how it would affect us all, adversely.

And you expect me and others not to be angry?

We'll call it Tony Blair's open borders policy then, same thing really.