To like Keir Starmer?

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Unlike Tony Blair, he comes from a working class background - his siblings would still call themselves working class.

As a very bright lawyer, he could have sought a path which made him rich quickly but instead chose human rights which isn’t an easy route to take and he’s defended ‘the little guy’ against corporations. He’s also anti-death penalty.

Ok, he’s a Sir, and I’ve heard people (perhaps not unreasonably) question why the leader of the Labour Party would have a title like that. But he earned it through work for the criminal justice system.

On the face of it, it seems as though he deserves a chance.

I would much rather have him as PM than a former Bullingdon club member who used to burn money in front of homeless people for the fun of it.

Well no, because there’s never been one of those either. Nobody thought you meant actual doors. We all understand that means borders.

No they didn't but its pretty obvious what they meant. I knew what it meant

He’s a fine figure of a man now

So why did you ask me what was libellous about saying he was DPP? If you knew that’s not what was being implied.
And if you agreed you are being wilfully ignorant.

I’m a Labour supporter but not a KS fan (I’m a Jeremy Corbyn era member). However, seeing the past few days a government that functions and is getting to work and having a PM who is boring yet seems dependable and is trying to work cordially with devolved governments, metro mayors etc is really refreshing.

He is not far left or really left in the slightest but he is to the left to the mess we’ve had of 14 years and seems to be far more capable and professional than the last.

As I say he wouldn’t be my choice in Labour leader/ has different politics to me but the standard and unprofessional nature of the last governments, this is nice to see.

Ditto

I mean, he’s not really my cup of tea, but apparently loads of women find Johnson attractive. If I had to pick between them it would be ridiculously easy (it would be Starmer, for clarity). It’s not really a surprise different people find different things attractive.

The Johnson thing is elusive. When he jogs his stomach has independent movement. You would have to be very enthused to look for the key in the wardrobe.

Power is an amazing aphrodisiac, however

Can you not remember the protests by British tradesmen because they couldn't compete with the influx of cheap labour from Europe. Free movement only works if all countries have the same standard of living. It's obvious that the workers in poorer countries would migrate to where the better wages are but it's all one way. Remember Gordon Brown promising British jobs for British workers? It didn't happen. Anyone who voiced their concerns were told they were racists and then people like you wonder why people were so angry and voted for Brexit. For years people haven't felt listened to.

If you live in the south east immigration is a big problem. Every time a small boat crosses the channel it makes local news. People are affected by what they see and hear. Most of the people who voted Brexit couldn't care less about being able to live and work in the EU. They had no desire to do that, all they wanted was to be able to earn a living to pay the bills.

Small boats does not = immigration. It’s a tiny, tiny fraction of it.
What it does demonstrate though, is that it’s not the effect of immigration you are concerned about whatever you say in the first paragraph. It’s the fact of ‘foreigners’ being here.

Well It's pretty hard to pay the bills when it now costs £5 for butter, for example.

EU migration issues could have been resolved without leaving the EU.

Just popping up to say obviously the cranks never go away but they are sufficiently irrelevant that we don't have to engage with any derailing nonsense.

It's human to try to understand someone's meaning, and to try to explain facts and reality in a way that they "get it" and we bring everyone along, but with the really rigid, and/or really out there types I guess I don't see the point.

Well I don't know where you do your shopping that you pay £5 for butter, I usually pay about £1.50 for a block.

I thought that, £1.80 here

Food has gone up a ridiculous amount.

Of course small boats are part of immigration even if it is a small part.

That's not all down to Brexit though. Climate change plays a big part. We have had very wet weather and our local news reported last week that there will be a shortage of potatoes and that they will go up in price.

Yes. A small part. Yet it’s the part you chose to say is a ‘big problem’.

Either of you heard the term ‘hyperbole’?
The point was perfectly clear.

Do you mean someone who doesn’t agree on this thread, which poster is a ‘crank’ and derailing nonsense?

Surely the point of mn is to share views even if they’re not all the same

Well I'm pretty sure you also knew what was being implied which makes me think you are probably being deliberately obtuse

Yes, I quite like him, but that’s irrelevant. It’s the policies he puts in place that I’m concerned about. He could be the most loveable sweetie pie on earth, but if immigration spirals out of control and he covers what’s left of the countryside in disgusting rabbit hutch houses, all jammed on top of one another, my life will get much, much worse. I’d rather have a PM I disliked who ruthlessly protected our borders. Just because someone is ‘nice’, and holds nice, cuddly, idealistic views, that doesn’t mean they will do good things or get good results. It’s often the idealists who do the most harm. I prefer unsentimental, pragmatic realists in power. Starmer supported that communist loon Jeremy Corbyn ffs. That’s enough for me.

Yep he has grown on me a lot this past few weeks. And I like Jess Phillips and Angela Rayner too. I voted Labour and do not regret my decision.

I do too.

Not really

when it now costs £5 for butter

Glad they’re not stumping up £5 however