To like Keir Starmer?

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Unlike Tony Blair, he comes from a working class background - his siblings would still call themselves working class.

As a very bright lawyer, he could have sought a path which made him rich quickly but instead chose human rights which isn’t an easy route to take and he’s defended ‘the little guy’ against corporations. He’s also anti-death penalty.

Ok, he’s a Sir, and I’ve heard people (perhaps not unreasonably) question why the leader of the Labour Party would have a title like that. But he earned it through work for the criminal justice system.

On the face of it, it seems as though he deserves a chance.

I would much rather have him as PM than a former Bullingdon club member who used to burn money in front of homeless people for the fun of it.

Judge him on what he delivers. Impressed so far on the set up. V good

So he took the pension that was standard for his job? I don’t see any hypocrisy there, genuinely. Armed Forces pensions are tax free too. Most of the others have always been taxable - it’s just that the state pension alone wouldn’t have taken you over the tax threshold until Tories refused to raise the threshold and then did what they did to inflation…

He seems like a genuinely decent bloke, which makes an astonishing change.

So strange how we perceive people differently.

To me he comes across as weak and slimy and makes my skin crawl a bit.

I'm also not taken in my his constant referrals to wanting to 'serve'. Does he bollocks. He wants status and power and the big bucks like all of them.

Will he be a good prime minister? I hope so, for all our sakes.

And what would you like to say about those two words then?

I agree

Starmer is dedicated and hard working he doesn't have time for PR stunts or getting caught up in ideology

I believe he shall prove to be a very good PM

Yeah, but I'm not sure you know the link between the two, and it's your assumptions that are wild, not anyone else's.

KS was the head of the CPS when they decided to not prosecute JS. But apparently, its OK for the head of an organisation to get away with that monumental tragedy under the guise of ignorance when the head is Saint Keir.

And AI takes over from the MN Labour bots! Top cheerleading!

Get your facts right. Starmer may have been DPP but it was not his decision (or perhaps you imagined that DPP personally makes decisions on whether to prosecute in all cases?). He accepted blame, though.

When the investigation report was published in January 2013, Mr Starmer said in a statement that he accepted the conclusions and hoped it would be a “watershed moment” for the CPS.
<a class="break-all" href="https://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20130703160030/www.cps.gov.uk/news/latest_news/dpp_statement_about_savile_cases/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">He said: “I would like to take the opportunity to apologise for the shortcomings in the part played by the CPS in these cases.
“These were errors of judgement by experienced and committed police officers and a prosecuting lawyer acting in good faith and attempting to apply the correct principles. That makes the findings of Ms Levitt’s report more profound and calls for a more robust response.”

https://fullfact.org/online/keir-starmer-prosecute-jimmy-savile/

Yes, I know the link. It appears you don’t.
Read this. Also be aware that Starmer overhauled the CPS systems on while sexual abuse afterwards, making it significantly more likely prosecutions could be made and could succeed.
To continue to suggest he is responsible when an investigation shows he isn’t is not ignorance, it’s wilful misrepresentation at best.

https://fullfact.org/online/keir-starmer-prosecute-jimmy-savile/

It’s possible to want status in order to serve.
The Tories have really done a number on you if you think politicians are ‘slimy’ for saying that. It’s called public service for a reason…even Thatcher believed in it.

Johnson tried this smear several times whilst he was PM. Didn't wash then, won't now.

So now he is in it for the ‘big bucks’.

His salary as PM is almost half what I make and I don’t do a stressful job that requires 24/7 attention (hence the time I have to chat on MN!). He then gets an additional salary as an MP. Taken together, it’s a lot of money but he could make a lot more working privately and not have to deal with the shitstorm that is the state of the U.K. at the moment plus the huge upheaval to his family.

I really don’t think he’s in it for the money.

The big bucks for politicians comes after office. Dinner party talks, books, advice, sitting on boards etc etc. Everybody knows this. Just go and research what Blair did.

Quite

I love this new world where politicians making money after office is a vice. Will someone tell the Lettuce and Big Dog?

If he does a good job in office, then okay. Even those who are totally incompetent can do this too.

He was the head of the CPS. And yet, he was never consulted on such a huge decision with a very very high profile case. I'm not refuting the fact he wasn't made aware. But he was in charge. When an organisation fails, the heads tend to take responsibility - this happened under his watch. But all he did instead was commission a report to clear himself of any responsibility. What a hero!

Oh has he been canonised now? That was quick.

Starmer is dedicated and hard working he doesn't have time for PR stunts or getting caught up in ideology

What is saying 'It's wrong to say only women have a cervix' if not getting caught up in ideology?

No, he commissioned a report and then accepted its findings and apologised for failings, before making changes so it wouldn’t happen again.
Worth saying it’s only in hindsight it’s a huge case because we know Savile was guilty. A couple of complaints for someone so beloved of the royal family and government of the day would have been seen as likely malicious, so I can see it not being brought to the top boss. We know better, and Starmer’s changes made it much less likely that this sort of thing be ignored.

Because that’s the legal position, whether you or I or Starmer agree. He’s a lawyer. It is what it is.

There were and are, vast numbers of people in the public eye and in positions of power who knew exactly what Savile was and covered for him. And there are others who could and should have done more - I don't think anyone disputes that. That's not excusable whoever was involved.

But it does sound as though KS's opponents have had to dig quite deep to find any real obvious stain on his character which is a good thing. As far as running the country goes, he seems to take the job seriously. When Boris Johnson was PM there was this constant sense that he despised and hated the electorate.

What legal position? Which law?

Oh here we go again.

Because that’s the legal position, whether you or I or Starmer agree. He’s a lawyer. It is what it is.

In which case why has he now said that a woman is an adult female?