To ask if anyone else on MN is not anti-trans?

[Lilieee]

I'm not interested in someone 'debunking the trans agenda' or how no one on here is like that, all I'm interested in is if any pro-trans Mumsnetters could pop up so I don't feel alone

Are you a time traveller?

And Bruce/Caitlyn Jenner is very much against trans women in sports.

Exactly. This is how transwomen confirm to the world, if there was any doubt, they are still men and exactly why they shouldn’t be in female spaces. Threatening physical violence/rape because they don’t get their way.,

Are you high?

That just simply isn’t true .

Agree with all of this.

@Lilieee

Women also encompass gender, not only sex.

Can you share five gender specific characteristics that make someone a woman rather than a man?

But hospital wards are NOT segregated by race or sexual orientation. They ARE segregated by sex.

There are very good reasons for this:

Firstly, male people are a threat to female people, regardless of how they identify, due to their superior physical strength and patterns of violent and sexual offending. The same is NOT true of women of different races and sexual orientations- no type of female has a biological strength advantage over another, and no type of female has a significantly higher statistical likelihood of violent and sexual offending.

Secondly, male and female people have completely different body parts, which not only has an impact on their willingness to be seen in states of undress by the opposite sex, but also on the physical ability of males to commit rape, something which females cannot do. Again, females of all races and sexual orientations have the same body parts, and none of then have a penis.

Sex is a completely different category from race and sexual orientation.

While washing her hands? How??

why can TRAs never provide an erudite debate? I suspect it’s because even the smallest dig Belp the surface causes the whole thing to crumble as it’s built on drifting (imaginary) sand

Another great point from the TRA lobby.

I would disagree that it's transphobic to use pronouns based on someone's biological sex rather than their gender identity.

A female psychiatric facility?

Well that proves the point very nicely

The question of trying on the oppressed mantle is an interesting one. Dolezal I don’t think we need to get into, we can stay with trans rights. I agree there are young people born as (EDIT!) men wanting to be women for the feelings of belonging to our class. What does that say about us as a culture, that people don’t want the mantle of the oppressor? Is there a reading where the oppressor culture feels so hopeless that they’ll take any way out? A desire for change expressed through the body? But then, what does that say about trans men? I don’t think they’re aiming to join the oppressor class. I think overall, it’s that people want out of the whole gender binary thing and everything that comes with it. And so do I!

Why do you feel the need to use such a ridiculous term? Why have another unnecessary label?

As I pointed out above, where I am, they're not segregated by sex. I had the displeasure of finding myself opposite my uncle on one occasion. There was about 25/30 people on the ward, equal mix of men and women and ages. Both used the same facilities. So a transperson would actually have made no difference.

Most men aren't predators either though? But in order to keep out the bad ones we have to just stop them all unfortunately.
My husband is lovely. Can he come in the women's toilets? He hates using urinals and the cubicles in the men's are gross. So he'd much prefer to come in the women's. He wouldn't hurt anyone obviously.
But obviously no one else but me knows he's harmless. And because some other men have bad intentions, he needs to stick to the men's no matter how much he doesn't like it.

To claim women on here are transphobic you're insinuating that we have an irrational fear of trans women which is simply not true. To say that sex matters and to advocate for the protection of female only spaces does not mean I or anyone else is "transphobic". Identify however you want, however you feel- but don't demand access to women and young girls spaces based on a feeling and not sex.

For me and my DC and our friends, this is not about single sex spaces, I think it is a privilege to have that as your focus.

I have been a victim of male violence from age 12 to 23; grooming, sexual abuse, domestic violence, pregnancies and the medical 'care' that came with it. So I'm not speaking from from position of privilege regarding single sex spaces.

What is impacting us is a lobby led by adult males is impacting our daughters. Girls that have been drawn to each other, mainly due to neuro-diversity, some of whom are gay or bisexual. All in some way gender non conforming. Also non conforming in many other aspects.

DD is just the latest in her form group to question her sex. In her form group, there are 2 girls that are now boys and 2 non binary children (girls). These girls are perfect as they are, they are the absolute best kids. There is nothing wrong with them, they are not men, there is nothing at all wrong with the way they are girling/womaning.

I am walking a tightrope of remembering to call Poppy Dexter and Ella Ray (names changed) and trying not to show the fear on my face when DD says she thinks she may not be a girl.

I am so scared of DD being guided down a route that ends with double mastectomy, lifelong hormones, potentially more serious surgery that will impact her physical needs to go to the toilet even.

If you're hypothetically worrying about single sex spaces, or being an ally to trans friends, you have no skin the in the game and this all a fun debate for you.

didn’t Pulp cover this off in their Song “Common People”?

One interesting MN question - this thread is in AIBU and moving incredibly quickly but not appearing in Trending and there's no Similar Threads showing.

Is that standard policy for trans threads? I haven't noticed it before but I tend to avoid the topics.

And @Tandora is about to explain how…

(But don’t hold your breath.)

well you’ve answered your own question there, if you ‘all know’ then it changes nothing

I think you’re worried about what happens if you don’t know