To ask if anyone else on MN is not anti-trans?

[Lilieee]

I'm not interested in someone 'debunking the trans agenda' or how no one on here is like that, all I'm interested in is if any pro-trans Mumsnetters could pop up so I don't feel alone

The main difference is that some of your female colleagues probably feel uncomfortable using them. Maybe some of your male colleagues too.

In schools where all the toilets have been made mixed sex, the result has been that many children, particularly girls, dehydrate themselves to avoid having to use the toilet, and bunk off school when they are on their period.

A transwoman with a cock and balls, is not a woman.

I'd add to that, a male with their cock inverted and their balls removed still is not a woman.

Why are you here?

Try to think of it like race. If a racist woman didn't want to share a rape crisis centre with a black woman, would you suggest the black woman who had been raped should be forced to leave, because the racist is uncomfortable?

Does the black woman have a penis? No, so this is a nonsense argument. As a rape survivor the ONLY person I didn't want to see in the room while I was reliving the horrific things that happened to me was someone with a penis

Yep! I felt the same. I had to block a lot of boards because of all the horrible posts I was seeing.

Unisex loos are enclosed with sinks inside. The regs are different.

You would rather stand shoulder to shoulder with men than women. Good for you!

This 100%.

@HeadNorth
find the FWR board wierdly obsessed with trans people under the guise of 'women's rights'.

I’m guessing if you’d lived in the very early 20th century you might have found the suffragettes ‘weirdly obsessed’ with female suffrage?

@Lilieee bur you were with your mum . You asked questions.

but what happened if you were on your own? 11-16 year olds go into loos all the time alone. You clearly recognised that at 11 that this person was not a biological women. Hence the reason you asked questions. You felt the difference or you would not have asked your mum questions. Some people would say you were transphobic to even have asked your mum questions. Why did you just not accept them as a women? Trans women are women. It is rude to even notice and acknowledge the difference right?

if a biological man, presenting as a man walked in what would you have done? What would you do now? What would your mum have said? What is they said they were a women but came in dressed as a man but with lipstick on? Where is the line? Would you say anything?

the point I am trying to make is that women are being told to override any protective instinct they have in an effort to be inclusive. I am not apologising that I would not have wanted my 11 year old to be going to the loo and washing their hands in an enclosed space with a clearly biological man. I am sure they were harmless going about their business. But why would I want to take the chance?

Again, I think I said this up thread, but the only time I was violated on a toilet was by a female student in my secondary school. I actually think toilets should be designed better so nobody can violate people regardless of sex/gender.

It really isn't. Feminism is the collective action for liberation of women from patriarchy. Dividing women into endless hierachical identities is not collectivism. Including males as women to the disadvantage of women and the protections they have sought from men, is not feminism.

Toilets where there is a male cleaner have signs telling the users that there is a male cleaner in them!!! So if a woman wants to wait whilst the male cleaner whom they know about is present, they can.
Men who claim to be women who use the women’s toilets are not announcing their male presence, so women don’t get a choice. It’s deception.

Nope. They had door and wall gaps, everyone used the same sinks. Boss used to brush his teeth there, didn't need to see that.

Do you understand the point of a discussion forum?

The safest toilet design for women and girls is a female only space with toilet cubicles with gaps and the bottom and the top.

I think we should have single sex toilets but I also think they should be supervised with staff. Some schools do this. Toilets at schools are places where bullying happens.

Gender isn't real. It's a misogynistic, man-made social construct that is not tangible. Only sex is real, and tangible.

And when it comes to womens rights, we are oppressed BASED on our SEX. Not 'gender'. And our rights are BASED on our SEX. Not 'gender'. And lastly, our single SEX spaces are BASED on SEX, not gender.

Gender is completely irrelevant.

What posts?! For the love of JKR at least attempt ONE example?

OP your posts are a bit confusing.

You say this - Since I am of the view that TWAW, saying I am a woman makes it possible to assume I am a trans woman, which I am not.

But TWAW, so you are a transwoman, just like all women are transwomen, and vice versa. There is no difference between the two. To say otherwise is hateful and bigoted.

Also when you say this: the only thing I really feel about is trans women who have sexually offended should not be able to circulate around any prison - and there should be women-only rape clinics.

Why are you making a distinction between transwomen and women, when according to you they are exactly the same, no?

Careful, your transphobia is showing.

Just a reminder that “The Equality Act 2010 protects trans people under the protected characteristic of “gender reassignment” from the start of social transition. This protection applies regardless of the age of the trans person, regardless of them being under medical supervision and regardless of what it says on their birth certificate.”

transwomen can already use the women’s toilets and get the world has continues to turn and we remain largely unbothered by it.

Cis people have privilege, straight people have privilege, white people have privilege. This is really Feminism 101.

You missed men. Men have privilege - that really is Feminism 101, not the above, which are nothing to do with women's rights (Although they can intersect - which means cross over, not have nothing in common but want to force-team)

Well I didn't feel safe when my female (bitch) fellow student was staring over the side of the loo at me, while I was in the process of changing a sanitary towel. I was absolutely mortified and devastated.

There is no such thing as "facilities that align with" any kind of "gender".

What you are saying is that you are happy for male people to use facilities which have been designated for the exclusive use of female people.

Why do you think you get to consent to that on behalf of the rest of us?