To ask if anyone else on MN is not anti-trans?

[Lilieee]

I'm not interested in someone 'debunking the trans agenda' or how no one on here is like that, all I'm interested in is if any pro-trans Mumsnetters could pop up so I don't feel alone

I actually think toilets should be designed better so nobody can violate people regardless of sex/gender.

Well, if we’re going off on flights of fancy, I actually think people should be designed better so that nobody can violate anyone else… but, given the confines of reality, in which we can’t remove all risk, including the anomalous situation in which a female assaults a female, perhaps we should go with the actual provable risks - ie that males are a huge risk to females, not the other way round?

It also protects people on the basis of sex, and includes the proviso that with good reason (eg. dignity) trans people can be excluded from the opposite sex sex-segregated facilities/services.

They can already use the toilet.

you are too late mate.

If transwomen had grown up as biological women they would know very well why actual women do not want biological males in their spaces. They haven't. They've grown up as men and they have absolutely no clue.

Very good point.

They can also already be excluded from that toilet on the basis of the Equality act, and use the facilities for their sex.

So all of these ‘inclusive’ women on here would happily strip almost naked (or be happy for their 19yr old daughter to) and have fake tan applied by double rapist Isla/Adam Bryson? And you are happy that if your daughter felt uncomfortable and objected, she would be thrown off the course and labelled an transphobe? Intriguing.

Except I think in real life you wouldn’t. You are banking on the fact that it wouldn’t happen to you but you are happy for it to happen to others so you can preen and congratulate yourself on how ‘kind’ and ‘inclusive’ you are. Well done you!

Well maybe it will happen to you one day as you obviously support legislating to make it easier for male predators to access victims.

But it identifies the man who is allowed to be in there, the one in a boiler suit with a cleaning trolley- you can look, if he’s in there you can wait til he exits and is unlikely to be in there again for some time.

Oh bore off with your fake “what… here? Where!” Posts.

You could stop being asked this by simply providing evidence, if this bores you so much.

I have.

This in a nutshell.

There's misgendering all over the bloody place. That used to be deleted but isn't now that out and out transphobia is apparently fine on MN.

Don’t ask them difficult questions!

I mean, why do we bother having changing rooms at all, maybe everyone should just strip in the gym and have a shower in open communal showers - this is what the trans community is advocating for effectively

i am on the fence. I would not be bothered by trans women using female toilets as anyone can walk into a toilet anyway (I’ve nipped into an empty men’s toilet on occasion when there is a massive queue). I would treat a trans woman just like any woman. As long as they aren’t harming anyone and are decent people I don’t care. I do draw the line at women’s sports. I don’t agree with trans women competing with women and find the case of Lia Thomas disturbing..it’s almost like she is trolling to annoy women. And I don’t agree with men being put in a women’s prison because they suddenly identify as women. It’s very complicated. I feel like people are attacked and labelled as anti trans when they raise concerns about these issues.

Can you quote in the Equality Act where it says that please?

No one has to believe in gender identify, if they don’t want to. Correctly sexing someone is fine.

Your post can be easily summed up as ‘I’m all right, Jack’.

Well they were contrary to regs and HSE would have wanted a word, then.

Misgendering or correctly sexing? Pronouns always used to refer to sex, it’s only in the last 5 minutes there’s been a push to change it to gender, maybe some people still just refer to the sex of the person. Why is that hateful?

Intelligent argument as always from the reality deniers.

Thank you for that excellent example of 'men don't care, men will do what they want to you, you can't stop them' that explains precisely why women need legal gatekeeping as a sex class to protect their rights and equality.

The misogyny is such that even when male needs are fully catered for in services with multiple options to choose from for males with a range of preferred identities, the activist groups still will attack and destroy any provision that attempts to use the law to provide an accessible service or resource for biological women. Even when those women cannot use any other service. This 'kind' political movement much prefers to see women with disabilities, trauma, of minority cultures and faiths, even women just seeking privacy and dignity, to be excluded in punishment rather than permit them to have a space not controlled and focused primarily on males. It sees women and their spaces as male resources to use.

Whether that use is for validation, as props for emotional needs to be undressing or doing something intimate in a space where other males are not present, or to use those women in more directly invasive ways is irrelevant.

The basic question is: do you see your daughter as an equal human being, or as a support animal?

"Tough shit, it's a done deal, nobody cares about women's consent" is probably not the argument I would have gone for if I wanted to win hearts and minds on an almost exclusively female discussion board, but you do you.