To ask if anyone else on MN is not anti-trans?

[Lilieee]

I'm not interested in someone 'debunking the trans agenda' or how no one on here is like that, all I'm interested in is if any pro-trans Mumsnetters could pop up so I don't feel alone

If you’re looking for reassurance that putting men’s fantasies above women’s safety is ok then I’m not going to give you that, women will always come first in my priorities.

Can I just check I’ve understood your position correctly; you believe all rape crisis services should be open to transwomen, not just that there should be services available for this group, but that they should not be excluded from ANY services for women. And that if rape victims find the experience of having biological males in a group session traumatic, or if women feel unable to use the services they need because there is no single-sex provision, then it’s not a big problem because we shouldn’t care about “transphobes’ feelings”.
Is that correct?

But trans women are men. Statistically men are responsible for nearly all crimes against women.

Women statistically are at risk from men.

Trans women are men. It's literally the only thing they need to be, to be a transwoman.

I don't believe someone feeling "uncomfortable" having a transwoman in their female hospital ward is a reason to make a transwoman stay on a male ward where they are likely to be much more uncomfortable and at risk. Ditto for prisons and other "non optional" spaces
Explain to us why is it ok for a female to feel uncomfortable in the presence of a male but it’s not ok for a male to feel uncomfortable in the presence of another male?
What is it about those males on hospital wards or prisons that make those places unsafe?
Do you also think rapist ‘Isla’ Bryson should have been placed in a female prison? Remember, IB only decided he was a woman after he had committed the crime and been arrested, knowing he would likely be found guilty.

Took the words out of my mouth.

Op, why have you allowed men to marginalise you, and re label you? Are you really that weak?

Source ?

Don’t be silly.
you just have to whisper “JK Rowling” into a mirror three times and the Fem Board will descend to call you a handmaiden.

If they have had operations etcetera and are no longer classified as men then they cannot go here.

What about trans men? Who have completely transitioned, with big beards, male physique and look like a man? Do you really want them in womens spaces?

The word woman is all you need.

@Lilieee my condolences! I would love to find a place to celebrate our trans friends but this clearly isn't the venue!! Thank you anyway - I think I need to mute the vitriol now.

How very faux

"I am an ally"
Is this the phrase people should be using to show support? Is there a lanyard with this slogan, because it's being flung around like jelly at a kids party.
Is the new slogan "my name issomdheimisademigodandiamatransallyciswoman"?

Men are the real threat, and they always have been. Transgender women have fuck all to do with it.

I 100% percent agree with your first sentence. The problem is, when the definition of trans allows any man to declare themselves a transwoman, how do you draw the line between man and transwoman? 70% of transwomen in prison are there for committing sexual crimes against women and children- do they have 'fuck all' to do with the threat posed by men?

No, I do not.

Since I am of the view that TWAW, saying I am a woman makes it possible to assume I am a trans woman, which I am not.

Yes, because those ‘staff only’ door labels stop armed robbers don’t they? 😆

The majority of people who aren't staff would adhere to this. Same as burglars are going to burgle your house anyway but I assume you still lock your doors, find new ways of safeguarding (ring doorbells).

You don't make it easier or do away with safeguarding measures because of the dicks of the world.

Yep and one of the biggest problems is that mumsnet HQ support this behaviour. There was once a thread started by a woman who refused to use their grandchild’s new pronouns. Lots of people congratulating them for their stance. I called out some particularly transphobic replies and my comment was reported and subsequently deleted by mumsnet HQ. The rest was all left where it was.

Lesbians have never raped women in prison cells. Lesbians are women.

Your memories seem to be very different to mine. the government were anti gay and brought in section 28 but in the real world no one gave a shit.

Gay people never filmed themselves masturbating at work. Gay people never demanded hetrosexual must date and have sex with them because if they didn't then they were bigots.

More importantly no one was at risk of losing rights by giving gay people equality. No one was losing spaces on sports teams because other players were gay.

The Green Party referred to women as “non-men” at one point.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/i-won-t-be-referred-to-as-nonmale-by-the-green-party-women-have-suffered-prejudice-because-of-their-bodies-for-too-long-a6967926.html

Such people need to be in isolated prisons with seperate cells and isolation that are specifically constructed for sex offenders, regardless of gender.

1. Yes transmen are welcome to enter female spaces because they're women. If they don't want to that's fine too.

1. They're still men and they don't go to a women's rape crisis centre. What's hard to understand?

For what?

Gosh that's too weird for me even

I have a 12 year old daughter. I don't want her to start going to the toilets or changing room by herself if transwomen are able to walk in and use them. I wouldn't like it for myself either.
I'm sure many of them are just going about their business but some are not.
Girls and women need to have their safety and privacy respected.
Otherwise, I don't care how any adults choose to dress or wear their hair and I'm not anti trans.