To ask if anyone else on MN is not anti-trans?

[Lilieee]

I'm not interested in someone 'debunking the trans agenda' or how no one on here is like that, all I'm interested in is if any pro-trans Mumsnetters could pop up so I don't feel alone

Define anti trans please

I am happy for people to live as they are , without sec based constraints and sex based expectations

I am not happy for children to be given treatment that likely shortens their lives or makes them infertile

Especially now I have discovered that the majority of children treated this way are ND or lesbian

I don't see that anything changes your sex and I don't see that when sex matters sex should be replaced by gender ( an ill defined concept without the history of understanding that sex has )

Yours
A female who probably suffered gender diysmorphia as a child . It passed as I grew in understanding and can return in certain circumstances
A female who is not trans nor cis

totally agree! This is not anti trans. This is exactly why these threads get derailed with people who are pro trans exhibiting bullying type behaviour!

Don’t be daft. This is sex realism.

@TheKeatingFive Then where? Where is this magical place that trans women should go when they are raped and in crisis?

Is there any evidence whatsoever that women are at risk of being assaulted by lesbians?

No, none.

Is there any risk whatsoever that women are at risk of being assaulted by male people?

Yes, tons.

That's the difference.

Our desire to keep male people out of women only spaces is evidence based.

Female isn't supposed to be inclusive of male.

So you’re a woman 🙈🙄

I'm not sure about all this "safe spaces" for women - again men aren't the enemy here

So why are transwomen 'too vulnerable' to use the space related to their biological sex

Three points. One, I am not anti trans I am anti their demands and their dangerous and wilful denial of reality. A relatively small group have hijacked the discussion and made it aggressive and unpleasant. I do not believe they are the true face of the trans world but that is what we see and hear about. Where are the rational ones who can respectfully debate the issue; they have not come forward. As many have said before very eloquently as long as these trans demands reduce the place of women (over half the population!) and their safety and encourage children to believe changing sex using poorly researched methods and crippling surgery will solve all their problems I cannot support them. Two, I do not understand how any rational government/support group etc etc have listened to such a small minority, believed them and have altered so much to accommodate their demands and feelings and so quickly. If only they could act so quickly and with such dedication about other matters that affect us all. This has cost money that could have been spent on many other things in these difficult times. Three, I have yet to understand what they are denied. They have access to exactly the same as everyone else: health care, education, holidays, shops, theatres etc.

Services for male rape victims

Almost no transwomen actually have the surgery.

We don't get to decide how someone identifies, but that person doesn't get to decide to gaslight and force women to participate in their fantasy and be a prop in it. How about they show basic respect by not gaslighting women to call a male a woman, and deny our lived experience? By the way, accurate-sexing is not 'incorrect use of pronouns'. Pronouns re sex-based. They may mis-sex themselves, but they have no right to compel others to indulge and participate in their belief.

I object to the co-opting of gay oppression in this movement.

We Don’t separate services by sexuality, but by sex.

We don’t offer smears to straight people, or expect gay boys to change with girls and lesbian girls to change boys. Women need smears, whether gay or not.

Saying this is like trying to eject lesbian women from changing rooms is batshit.

Single sex spaces exist due to the predatory nature of a significant number of men. All men, however they present. I’m sure the lovely transwoman in your family isn’t a risk, just as my lovely husband and sons aren’t a risk. But they change in a separate area for the comfort and dignity of everyone And because as men they carry a risk other women can’t afford to ignore.

It’s pro-women. Not everything is about trans people and their rights.

Looking masculine doesn’t mean you’re an actual male. Claiming that someone who looks masculine must be male is just subscribing to gender stereotyping aka the ‘Genderbread’ phenomenon.

the statistics you use here to back up your claim are mind boggling . If you’re looking to see what percentage of trans women commit crimes, surely you’d be looking at the population as a whole ? If you’re looking at data from prisons, then of course it will fit your narrative .

what you’re experiencing is confirmation bias, and the data you are presenting is skewed.

another trans ally here (and baffled as to why so many people are obsessed with toilets) 🙄

...Because men keep stamping their feet and demanding to be let into our bathrooms. Don't you find that a little odd?

Why can't they just use their own bathrooms?

Why do they want to use the women's so much?

We're not the ones who started all of this bollocks. Ask your friends.

We can’t because they are always deleted. Rightly. A tamet example i can give you though is this week I reported a post that called trans women “pervy blokes in frocks” which is clearly derogatory and anti trans.
im not repeating the more hateful ones because people shouldn’t have to read that. Again.

1. Men in dresses are not 'marginalised'. Indeed and in fact, trans are the most protected, privileged and powerful group there is.
2. Using Suicide Idealisation and promotion and a means to manipulate, gaslight and control is truly low. No therapist would recommend people give in to threats of suicide.

Check yours! Advocating for males to be in spaces alongside women such as rape survivors. How dare you!

Here you go

Now stop being deliberately obtuse.

This is easy- they should is the toilets assigned to their biological sex. This is why 3rd spaces are important for everyone.

I have never seen anyone anti trans - what people are saying it’s impossible to change sex and the issue is often used to attack women.

There is a mental health problem here. The trans agenda is preventing many esp children getting suitable help

The reason why what you see as anti trans on here is that the trans agenda is anti woman, it affects women’s rights as most of the time pushing forward the trans agenda inevitably involves women having their rights and freedoms curtailed - sometimes through the threat of make violence (and no we don’t want women being recorded as attacking other women, this is a man).

You've lost any arguement or respective calling yourself "cis"

flipping hell this blew up. I was assuming there would be maybe two pages of pro trans people saying they're here, and maybe the occasional comment looking for an argument but holy shit - 17 pages?

Was the main problem with the Jim Crow laws, that people weren't allowed to identify their own race?
Or was it something else?

I was trying to say that I'm a non-trans woman, so people don't accuse me of being a man and invading womens spaces.

So they're deleted. Good.

Gosh though, that's a hell of a lot of deletions going on if it's on 'almost every thread on MN'. And yet, I don't see many deletion messages on MN at all. Funny.