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To say a massive well done to the people of France...

553 replies

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 07/07/2024 19:33

For telling the far right National Rally to fuck off to the far side of fuck!!!

So relieved!

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AlisonDonut · 08/07/2024 09:46

Startingagainandagain · 08/07/2024 08:26

'@ainymcrainrain
Amazing how people who think they are progressive and tolerant are just as hateful and intolerant as the people they hate'

That's a really daft argument.

No one should 'tolerate' people who are racist, xenophobic, homophobic or sexist.

Some views cannot be reconciled with decent, caring societies and should absolutely be challenged and fought against.

We should also remember what happened in history when far right parties were allowed to take over and started victimising specific group of people based on their ethnicity and religion unopposed.

I am never forgetting that.

When you say 'fought against' are you saying actual killings? Or just maiming? Or prison time?

When you are the ones with pitchforks and torches fighting against the people with pitchforks and torches will that make you reconsider that fighting against people is not the actual answer?

Anonym00se · 08/07/2024 09:49

Bittenbyfleas · 08/07/2024 09:32

Same with the far left . Thats why I voted Liberal Democrat. The UK needs balance .

Are you suggesting that Labour are ‘far’ left? There’s only a cigarette paper between our new government and a Conservative government of the 1970s under Heath. They’re as centrist as can be.

We must be really careful to distinguish between left/right and far left/far right. Even the Reform Party couldn’t currently be described as far right, although it will have many far right members and supporters.

Jeremy Corbyn, though far left economically couldn’t be lumped into the same camp as Stalin. His overwhelming belief is in democracy, a subject about which he talks at length. There were many Labour motions passed that he disagreed with, but he honoured them because he fiercely believed that the members had voted for them so the democratic will should be honoured. He was never a dictator.

caringcarer · 08/07/2024 09:50

They are currently rioting and burning things in France. Hardly cause for celebrations.

SloaneStreetVandal · 08/07/2024 09:55

Instability allows the more extreme parties a voice. And when people are affected acutely by things like high interest rates and energy costs, they become more concerned with their own preservation, which is completely understandable. Most people, I believe, don't want far right governance. They do/and will always though (particularly at this current time) want their own house put in order before anything else - again, understandable.

Bojo was exposed as the incompetent he always was (but I bet a shit load of you on this thread voted for him...). Truss delivered the fatal blow to the tories, in spectacular fashion. If the crusties in the membership had opted for Sunak over Truss, we wouldn't have had a labour government. The UK would've chosen right of centre; people have an instinct, even if they don't have a great deal of political savvy.

Famous quote to ponder...
“Any man who is not a socialist at age twenty has no heart. Any man who is still a socialist at age forty has no head.”

Goldenbear · 08/07/2024 09:58

FinalCeleryScheme · 08/07/2024 09:34

Why are there communist parties publicly tolerated in W European countries, some of them quite significant electorally?

Why did the allied powers need to move against the possibility of a communist Italy and Greece after WWII?

Why are there still people like Corbyn and Momentum who openly espouse far left politics without any shame? This was a man who couldn’t support the UK after Russia poisoned the Skripals! And still people on here support him - see the current thread about Corbyn’s re-election.

I’d be grateful if you’d answer my question about what you were talking about with FPTP and PR. I still can’t work out why you attacked me so rudely.

The feigned ignorance is not washing - you are clearly a Reform enthusiast, highlighting the problematic nature of FPTP when it comes to democracy!

I don’t know if you are British but did you see what a resounding success Corbyn was in the 2019 election, real testament to the strength of the ‘extreme’ left in this country!?? Presumably we tolerate him just like we tolerate Farage and Reform.

1dayatatime · 08/07/2024 10:00

DTisawazzock · 07/07/2024 23:43

What are their "far right" policies please?

This is a summary of the main policies of the three main parties:

www.connexionfrance.com/news/french-parliamentary-elections-what-are-the-main-parties-policies/665993

BIossomtoes · 08/07/2024 10:00

Famous quote to ponder...
“Any man who is not a socialist at age twenty has no heart. Any man who is still a socialist at age forty has no head.”

Famous quote to dismiss as complete bollocks.

Auvergne63 · 08/07/2024 10:02

BIossomtoes · 08/07/2024 09:45

There really aren’t “proper definitions” for far right or left. Both are entirely subjective. There’s no such thing as the Reform party, it’s a company owned by Farage and essentially a dictatorship.

It appears that many do not know that it is a company.

youvebeenthanked · 08/07/2024 10:06

Acapulco12 · 07/07/2024 22:27

Exactly.

The major terrorist attscks were in 2015 (Bataclan and Charlie Hebdo) and 2016 (Nice lorry terrorist attack). What I mean by ‘major’ attacks is that they killed and injured many people.

The other ones listed in your link were terrible, of course, but they had much fewer victims so I wouldn’t describe them as major @LordPercyPercy.

The attacks might only kill one or two people but they are continuous, random and make people feel afraid, the schools all take it uber seriously, the feel of threat is constant - that is what terrorism is. I am guessing that intelligence improved which is why the major attacks have reduced.

I am not sure it is right to say it is linked to the rise of the far right, in many seems it seems to be the other way round, voters driftiing to a party which promises to chuck out immigrants who are committing crimes. The far right have traditionally attracted young uneducated yet in the exit polls last week there was an increase in young retirees voting right, and slight increases across the board.

SloaneStreetVandal · 08/07/2024 10:08

BIossomtoes · 08/07/2024 10:00

Famous quote to ponder...
“Any man who is not a socialist at age twenty has no heart. Any man who is still a socialist at age forty has no head.”

Famous quote to dismiss as complete bollocks.

Most though don't consider it thus, which was my point. You and I both know we'll return to successive conservative governance.

DTisawazzock · 08/07/2024 10:09

1dayatatime · 08/07/2024 10:00

This is a summary of the main policies of the three main parties:

www.connexionfrance.com/news/french-parliamentary-elections-what-are-the-main-parties-policies/665993

The only thing that I'd disagree with on the RN policy is reducing pension age. France can't afford people retiring at 62. Everything else seems very reasonable.

BIossomtoes · 08/07/2024 10:10

SloaneStreetVandal · 08/07/2024 10:08

Most though don't consider it thus, which was my point. You and I both know we'll return to successive conservative governance.

Not for a very long time hopefully. Realistically I’ve got another 10/15 years left and I don’t want to die under a Tory government.

FinalCeleryScheme · 08/07/2024 10:14

Goldenbear · 08/07/2024 09:58

The feigned ignorance is not washing - you are clearly a Reform enthusiast, highlighting the problematic nature of FPTP when it comes to democracy!

I don’t know if you are British but did you see what a resounding success Corbyn was in the 2019 election, real testament to the strength of the ‘extreme’ left in this country!?? Presumably we tolerate him just like we tolerate Farage and Reform.

You really are completely nuts.

I despise Reform. How could you possibly conclude that I support Reform from my saying that Labour has a strong mandate and that the far left is dangerous?

I absolutely endorse FPTP and I’ve said so twice now!

WTF has Corbyn’s defeat in 2019 got to do with anything? He was the leader of one of the great UK political parties and was elected to that position twice. And, again, he stood up for Putin when that tyrant sent killers here!

Did you vote for Corbyn Labour?

Zebedee999 · 08/07/2024 10:15

I have a way of identifying a left wing person from a right wing person... Years ago I worked with an 18 year old Pakistani origin lad who went to Pakistan, married his 14 year old cousin and brought her back to the UK. Long story short she wasn't allowed outside his flat alone and (according to him) had no need to learn English as when she did go out he would do the speaking.
Anyway some of us in the office weren't comfortable with this as it seemed like child/sex trafficing. But there was a very clear split: The left leaning types said it was racist to not accept this was their culture and to mention it as being an issue and generally tried to side track. The right leaning types said it was unacceptable and shouldn't be allowed.
Since that time I have not been surprised people in countries where such cultures are growing have become right leaning, their moral compass has been pushed just too far.

Goldenbear · 08/07/2024 10:17

SloaneStreetVandal · 08/07/2024 10:08

Most though don't consider it thus, which was my point. You and I both know we'll return to successive conservative governance.

Have a Crystal Ball do you?

Teddleshon · 08/07/2024 10:19

@Zebedee999 and yet if the husband was say a southern US evangelical Christian the reaction would have been likely very different.

Goldenbear · 08/07/2024 10:20

FinalCeleryScheme · 08/07/2024 10:14

You really are completely nuts.

I despise Reform. How could you possibly conclude that I support Reform from my saying that Labour has a strong mandate and that the far left is dangerous?

I absolutely endorse FPTP and I’ve said so twice now!

WTF has Corbyn’s defeat in 2019 got to do with anything? He was the leader of one of the great UK political parties and was elected to that position twice. And, again, he stood up for Putin when that tyrant sent killers here!

Did you vote for Corbyn Labour?

You obviously haven’t read any of my posts as I didn’t vote for Labour this time let alone Corbyn in 2019!

Freyaaaa · 08/07/2024 10:20

In Switzerland we heard that many working class white children (100,000s) where sexually trafficked, raped around the UK by predominantly british Pakistanis and the British police, social services, local council refused to intervene as they didn't want to be seen as racists!

I always find it funny when I hear a British person speak about the (me to) movement, they only seem to care about women who are celebs... To hell with everyone else.

That's the liberal land of the UK. 🤮

peanutbuttertoasty · 08/07/2024 10:21

Yay communists 🙄

Goldenbear · 08/07/2024 10:26

FinalCeleryScheme · 08/07/2024 09:34

Why are there communist parties publicly tolerated in W European countries, some of them quite significant electorally?

Why did the allied powers need to move against the possibility of a communist Italy and Greece after WWII?

Why are there still people like Corbyn and Momentum who openly espouse far left politics without any shame? This was a man who couldn’t support the UK after Russia poisoned the Skripals! And still people on here support him - see the current thread about Corbyn’s re-election.

I’d be grateful if you’d answer my question about what you were talking about with FPTP and PR. I still can’t work out why you attacked me so rudely.

Sorry, I’m really confused as you referenced Corbyn- one minute deriding the chap, the next minute endorsing him - which one is it? Do you even know yourself?

Freyaaaa · 08/07/2024 10:26

FinalCeleryScheme · 08/07/2024 10:14

You really are completely nuts.

I despise Reform. How could you possibly conclude that I support Reform from my saying that Labour has a strong mandate and that the far left is dangerous?

I absolutely endorse FPTP and I’ve said so twice now!

WTF has Corbyn’s defeat in 2019 got to do with anything? He was the leader of one of the great UK political parties and was elected to that position twice. And, again, he stood up for Putin when that tyrant sent killers here!

Did you vote for Corbyn Labour?

Shame Corbyn didn't stand up to Tony Blair when Blair made the decision to invade the middle east and kill 100,000's innocent civilians.

Is this the same Corbyn that the labour party kicked out for vile antisemitism remarks?

I think it is.....

infor · 08/07/2024 10:28

Auvergne63 · 08/07/2024 09:04

Then you don't understand how the French system works. We have, as a nation, always done this. It is called uniting against a common threat to our values.

  1. I vote for a candidate in the first round because I like her and her policies.
  2. She is in second place after the first round, the top three going forward.
  3. As part of a national deal, she drops out of the second round.

Why would I ever waste my vote on this person again?. She clearly doesn't respect my vote - maybe for the greater good - but I would prefer to vote for someone who is consistent.
I expect Bardella and Le Pen to be quiet while the other two groups (who have little in common) squabble for a year until the next election.

FinalCeleryScheme · 08/07/2024 10:29

Goldenbear · 08/07/2024 10:26

Sorry, I’m really confused as you referenced Corbyn- one minute deriding the chap, the next minute endorsing him - which one is it? Do you even know yourself?

Where did I endorse Corbyn?

SloaneStreetVandal · 08/07/2024 10:30

Goldenbear · 08/07/2024 10:17

Have a Crystal Ball do you?

Why are you being so belligerent? I haven't been rude to you, nor to the 'bollocks' PP. I'm only highlighting the fact that history would suggest Labour's term will be short lived.

Isn't it interesting that posters who consider themselves terribly liberal are also the most hostile and intolerant of an alternative view?

TwigletsAndRadishes · 08/07/2024 10:30

Teddleshon · 08/07/2024 10:19

@Zebedee999 and yet if the husband was say a southern US evangelical Christian the reaction would have been likely very different.

No. It wouldn't.