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To say a massive well done to the people of France...

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MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 07/07/2024 19:33

For telling the far right National Rally to fuck off to the far side of fuck!!!

So relieved!

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Auvergne63 · 11/07/2024 09:49

Interesting that you are French but you picked me up on calling Reform a party rather than a private business earlier in the thread, so I guess that works both ways.
I was merely stated a fact.
And please don't use the term 'Little England.' It's incredibly contemptuous and and snobbish.
Describing the French as idiots is a direct attack on the French population. " Little England" describes a mentality, not a person. There is a difference.
As you live in France, you must know that Macron is seeking a PM from the right ( this includes the RN) contrary to "the will of the people". What are your thought on this?

Grammarnut · 11/07/2024 18:54

TwigletsAndRadishes · 11/07/2024 09:37

Some of the responses on here about communism and Marxism are miles away from the debate taking place in France, where we're examining whether we can move on to a system that's more about compromise than 'adversarial'.

Having had conversations with friends in France in my heavily RN supporting area of farmers, vignerons and almost exclusively white French or other white european people, the conversation is miles away from racism and whatever else people think a 'far right' or 'fascist' party is about. Yes immigration and particularly the rise of Islamism and terror attacks are ongoing concerns, but in general it's about many other things too. The RN of 2024 isn't the Front National of old, any more than Reform is the BNP, but that doesn't stop people from equating the two, over and over, on a loop. Neither does it stop some people assuming that the RN, once in power, would morph into the Third Reich as sure as night follows day. But we are to 'calm down' about the potential for anti-semitism, Marxism, communism and open borders now this dodgy left alliance has the majority? Even though it's stuffed to the gunnels with Marxists, communists, anti-semites and people who call for open borders? Okay then.

If the result had been different and this French coalition had a RN / right wing alliance majority now pulling the strings, would you be equally relaxed about moving to a system that's 'more about compromise than 'adversarial'?

I somehow doubt it.

This, entirely.

TwigletsAndRadishes · 12/07/2024 15:15

Auvergne63 · 11/07/2024 09:49

Interesting that you are French but you picked me up on calling Reform a party rather than a private business earlier in the thread, so I guess that works both ways.
I was merely stated a fact.
And please don't use the term 'Little England.' It's incredibly contemptuous and and snobbish.
Describing the French as idiots is a direct attack on the French population. " Little England" describes a mentality, not a person. There is a difference.
As you live in France, you must know that Macron is seeking a PM from the right ( this includes the RN) contrary to "the will of the people". What are your thought on this?

  1. You said 'it seems many people don't know that [Reform] is a company.'

You can't state a fact by starting a sentence with 'it seems....' and also, what is 'many' exactly? It's a meaningless word where facts are concerned. It's the proportion of the whole that matters. You may well be right in what you say, but you can't claim it as a fact.

  1. I think you are being rather disengenuous by hiding behind semantics. In reality the meaning and the sentiment is the same. After all, a group 'mentality' come from the people. It's not some purely academic concept floating in the ether completely separate from the people.

  2. Is he? I haven't heard anything to suggest that and I've read a few articles speculating on who it might be. But I suppose in theory at least, he can pick who he likes, given that there was no outright majority for the leftist alliance. But then he has to pick someone who won't be vetoed by most of the people on the left or the right, so goodness only knows how that will unfold. I can't imagine it's going to be a quick or easy decision either way. If the left and the centre have gone to all this effort to conspire to keep the RN from getting a majority, then why instal an RN prime minister? That makes no sense. But equally, who wants JLM either, bar a handful of nutters? Hopefully it will be someone fairly anodine that offends no-one on either side too much, but also someone who isn't too closely aligned with Macron as the whole reason France is in this mess in the first place is that everyone 'ordinary' and unpriviledged is sick of Macron.

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