To say a massive well done to the people of France...

[MrsBennetsPoorNerves]

For telling the far right National Rally to fuck off to the far side of fuck!!!

So relieved!

"FFS" was about the Euronews link, like I'm not aware of the claims all parties make

Who’s that to?

The sensible person looks to the past for patterns which can help predict the future. If you cannot see the relevance of how Jews reacted in Nazi Germany we can perhaps look to Spain in 1492? Maybe you want to go all the way back to Babylon? It is highly relevant to how various Jews are currently reacting - if you can’t see that YOU’RE the one being disingenuous. I don’t care if you don’t respond, you seem so blinded by left politics you can’t see what’s happening when even a cursory look at history will tell you what the future holds.

This is a quote from the Financial Times from France’s chief rabbi: “I think it’s scandalous to vote for the far left and the far right. So we have to submit spoiled ballots that say that we want neither one nor the other, if we are faced with a choice like this.”

@ScribblingPixie Agreed. That's different to saying that France is no longer safe for Jews and that they should move to Israel.

If you’re actually interested on the Jewish Leaders views on the Far Left and Far Right in France see link below.

I was particularly taken with the quote they”will lead France towards its doom” it is likely France will either have a minority left Government led by an extreme Lefiist or have Extreme Left ducking it out with Far Right to see how evil they can be, France is fucked either way.

Strangely enough, I once said on another post on places you dislike/had strange feelings about, that Paris had the kind of atmosphere that made me feel it was a portal to hell. Where demons would appear at the end of the world. - and here we are!

https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/article-809245

So the LFI is the largest faction within the NFP (left wing alliance), with 76 MPs, the PS (Socialists) has 59 deputies, the Greens 28 and the Communists 9.

The Greens generally want nothing to do with Melenchon, the PS is split between some who would and some who wouldn't work with Melenchon and the Communists would support him.

So whilst there is disagreement within the NFP, it is fair to say that LFI and Melenchon are the dominant part of it.

Her ambitions have not been thwarted, quite the reverse.

There was a theory that Macron wanted NR to be in power for three years, mess everything up and that would sabotage Le Pen in 2027.

In fact his own cobbled together alliance (including the complete nut job Melenchon) will be in power, and will be blamed for everything that goes wrong.

I think Macron has massively boosted Le Pen's chances of victory in the next presidential elections. Luckily he can't run again, but they are going to have to find an extremely strong centrist candidate to run against her.

I just meant thwarted in this election.

"Strangely enough, I once said on another post on places you dislike/had strange feelings about, that Paris had the kind of atmosphere that made me feel it was a portal to hell. Where demons would appear at the end of the world. - and here we are!" @Devonbabs, that's just offensive, stupid and xenophobic.
Was it on the thread with the anti-French comments that got taken down because MNHQ couldn't be sure if the poster(s) was/were genuine?
Anyway just to reassure everyone, the talk is more of the country being in an impossible situation that may be resolved by changing the political system to one that accommodates coalitions and compromises, than one led by LFI/ Mélanchon/ the far left.

Changing the system is one of Melenchon’s aims: he wants to dissolve the fifth republic and create a sixth.

De Gaulle must be spinning in his grave.

It’s not xenophobic at all. You really are struggling with the meaning of words aren’t you. It was a post about places people didn’t like it had weird feelings about. I seem to recall Bath was probably the front runner. Many people had weird feelings in Glastonbury, quite a lot (me included) felt Paris had a very dark energy to it. Conversely I really love the Loire Valley which I think has a very bright energy to it. The thread is still there. Not sure what thread you’re talking about.

So we’re not relying on “the talk is” to reassure everyone, there’s equally talk of the French being saddled with a Far left ruled government.

why can’t you just admit, which ever way you slice it the French have voted for extremist parties in both rounds of the election. This indicates a fundamental problem within French Society. Maybe that should be the focus of this thread rather than which colour of evil the French voter prefers.

@Devonbabs

"It’s not xenophobic at all. You really are struggling with the meaning of words aren’t you. It was a post about places people didn’t like it had weird feelings about"

Sorry but with the hard left posters on this thread stating that you don't like Paris or have weird feelings about it, at a minimum makes you xenophobic, most probably makes you racist and most probably makes you a fascist.

Conversely there was another thread calling for people to boycott visiting Clacton because it had elected Farage. But that's perfectly acceptable.

Tbh I’ve generally almost lost any hope for the future of mankind esp with some of the things people are coming out with across the western world. I have a lot of American friends -I mean what a choice they’re faced with. I genuinely think people have lost the plot, are incapable of learning from past mistakes but that probably makes me speciesist. Why is no one asking what is going on? Why suddenly do we have such extreme politics? It matters little if you’re blue red yellow green or another, none of them is addressing the fundamental problems. I think someone on another thread mentioned a giant asteroid heading towards earth - we can but hope.

Sorry - on this occasion none of us fancied being led by nativist, thick, populist Putin apologists.

So you went for the nationalist, communist, open borders, anti-semitic, Islamist apologist and Putin apologist instead? Well done you.👌

Actually I think @TonTonMacoute has read the situation presciently. France Unbowed are hell bent on unwinding Macron's (painful but necessary) social adjustments to pension entitlement required to make French welfare stable again for the long term. However, the punishment is likely to make France look like Greece with technology. If Melenchon becomes PM and enacts his manifesto, the international bond market is going to eat France alive. You really do not want this.

I didn't know there were so many experts in the French political system! Shame that some, not all, lack any understanding of what is really going on.
I am French btw.

@Auvergne63 Do you disagree with the analysis or somthing else?

Richard Tice (then leader of Reform) was denouncing Sunak as being a socialist just a few months ago.

Lol. So one person says something and you extrapolate that to cover the entire population of Britain. Thanks for the laugh 😂

@Papyrophile

To put this into context Liz Truss managed to create financial turmoil with her mini budget deficit of £40 billion,

Melenchon's policies would create a deficit of between £85 billion to £243 billion (depending on the source):

inews.co.uk/news/world/french-left-faces-reality-check-high-spending-policies-wealth-tax-3161388

Oh I see, you voted for people you didn't want and are now justifying denying them their place in government.
By the way, the French voting system was designed to avoid the precise situation your coalition has just created, that is too say; a tripartite assembly that will struggle to agree on anything, so, congratulations for achieving that, I guess.
And Macron (whom 2 weeks ago you were so fed up with) now has a potentially impotent parliament but not to worry; as supreme commander and guardian of the République he can do whatever he wants, as his nasty little habit of invoking article 16 proves.
But yeah, you did really well.
As de Gaulle said; 'Les Français sont des veaux. ..., ils n'ont que ce qu'ils méritent.'

Interesting that you are French but you picked me up on calling Reform a party rather than a private business earlier in the thread, so I guess that works both ways. Has it occurred to you that some of us show a particular interest or knowledge of French politics because we live there?

And please don't use the term 'Little England.' It's incredibly contemptuous and and snobbish. Particularly considering that you said this in an earlier post:

I strongly suggest you stop calling French people, me included, idiots and stay out of a thread which does not match your far right views.

You can't tell non-French people to stay out of a thread about French politics purely because they don't agree with you, any more than I could tell you to stay out of a thread on UK politics for the same reasons.

Although I accept that it must be very frustrating to hear non-French people telling you how they think your own country should be run and assuming they understand what motivates the French people better than French people themselves. Brexit would be one such example of how frustrating that can be. I've listened to enough sanctimony and lecturing from non-British people on matters concerning Brexit, so I feel your pain. I do hope you never stooped so low as to call British people idiots, or questioned their intelligence or sanity for leaving the EU, or muscled in on threads to tell British people how they should vote, did you? Because that would be hypocritical.

This absolutely - and actually the French voting for extreme politics does afffe t the UK in numerous ways. Having Russian sympathetic powerful politicians next door to us is problematic for us. Having anti Semitic governments next to us is extremely problematic. Watching powerful western allies who we work closely with on various matters inc immigration fall to extremism is very problematic for us. So yes, British people are rightly concerned about the worrying direction of French politics.

Some of the responses on here about communism and Marxism are miles away from the debate taking place in France, where we're examining whether we can move on to a system that's more about compromise than 'adversarial'.

Having had conversations with friends in France in my heavily RN supporting area of farmers, vignerons and almost exclusively white French or other white european people, the conversation is miles away from racism and whatever else people think a 'far right' or 'fascist' party is about. Yes immigration and particularly the rise of Islamism and terror attacks are ongoing concerns, but in general it's about many other things too. The RN of 2024 isn't the Front National of old, any more than Reform is the BNP, but that doesn't stop people from equating the two, over and over, on a loop. Neither does it stop some people assuming that the RN, once in power, would morph into the Third Reich as sure as night follows day. But we are to 'calm down' about the potential for anti-semitism, Marxism, communism and open borders now this dodgy left alliance has the majority? Even though it's stuffed to the gunnels with Marxists, communists, anti-semites and people who call for open borders? Okay then.

If the result had been different and this French coalition had a RN / right wing alliance majority now pulling the strings, would you be equally relaxed about moving to a system that's 'more about compromise than 'adversarial'?

I somehow doubt it.