To say a massive well done to the people of France...

[MrsBennetsPoorNerves]

For telling the far right National Rally to fuck off to the far side of fuck!!!

So relieved!

Having worked for the housing department of a city council, it's absolutely not the case that veterans are simply left to rot. Many efforts are made to home these people (and other homeless people). Sadly, many have complex mental health problems and addiction issues and this impedes their ability to take responsibility of a home.
And good, I really hope doctors and other professionals are given citizenship. We have a massive sills shortage in this country.

Hard anything isn't good, but hard left is way better than hard right, because the hard right are unified across the board in the National Front as being complete fascists. The left coalition varies from extreme to less so, with many falling on the sword and withdrawing to help fight a common threat which has a lot of positives and also...no fascists...

The implications of France falling to the hard right only a few decades after WWII is frightening in the extreme. This outcome is a great one given the circumstances.

To be fair - the views of many mn’etters and their entitlement to everyone else’s money for not doing very much - is peak communism. Everyone should be paid the same, even if you’ve worked for it and have the intelligence to be a Dr or engineer. There are plenty of extreme left in this country - most of which are on here.

Pulling candidates isn't on on my opinion. It was an engineered win rather than a proper victory.

I can't see it ending well.

And I am not sure the hard left are much better..

Are you British? Did you actually vote in the election in Britain last Thursday? i don’t equate a Landslide victory for the Labour Party to just not voting for the Conservatives, Starmer managed to lead the Labour Party from Opposition to Government in under 5 years, it is right wing Reform propaganda overstating this notion! I know quite a few older people from my Mum’s generation, friends, neighbours etc. a lot of them switched to Labour from Conservatives and that pattern must have happened across their constituency as it went from Tory to Labour, Reform wpuld have surely been the anti-Conservatives vote but it went the go to in their area!

don’t equate a Landslide victory for the Labour Party to just not voting for the Conservatives

I think Labour actually got less overall votes than in 2019. Reform split the Tory vote largely. Reform got some quite big vote numbers although these mostly didn't translate to seats.

🤣 - there are probably lots of Lib Dem and Green voters on here are they communists too! Many people on here will be on higher paying tax jobs and professions- they still voted Labour or one of the other non right wing parties but we are all why shy commies are we- you are chatting crap! Are you British, your viewpoint is so extreme and shows no understanding of British political history so I would imagine you weren’t even voting last week in the British election!

Okay, you are clearly just trolling now. I have to credit you with that much intelligence, at least. It's less worrying than the alternative, which is that you really do believe what you are saying.

Nice one. You nearly had us there.

Yes and so many non British on this thread commenting on the state of a country they don’t live in!!

Tony Blair is right. If successive governments don’t listen to the electorates concerns on immigration then we will end up with prejudices and more and more people will turn to populist parties in frustration.

Well he's right of course, but it sticks in the craw to hear him of all people say it. He was the one who set the fucking house on fire and he has the cheek to tell people 20 odd years later that they aren't putting the fire out quickly enough?

The thing is that Jean Luc Melanchon and his ilk are also no fans of the EU or of Nato. They are pro-Putin, they have very ambitious and unaffordable socialist spending plans even more unrealistic than the RN's, they also want to lower the retirement age all over again, and raise benefits, but they will also try to take power away from the police and the judiciary, they'd like to see far fewer criminals in prison, they will be anti-business and very high tax, and trust me, it's hard enough to run a business in France already. They will encourage industrial action which will bring France to its knees, and on top of all of that, they want to do it while having open house on immigration.

What could possibly go wrong?

It's all such a mess. I don't see a pathway to forming a government based on the opposing ideologies of the three main blocs. Maybe Macron's best option is to seek to govern in coalition with a senior civil servant as PM and then call another election in a year's time.

It's bad for France and bad for the EU. The euro and French bonds sell-off this am is terrible for the French economy. The more I look at recent and current European politics, the more grateful I am for FPTP.

I'm starting to think that this is like a doctor saying to France 'we are coming in tomorrow to cut off three of your fingers because they are gangrenous.'

So France thinks 'Fuck that, I'll not let them cut off my gangrenous fingers. What can I do? I have to think of something.'

Someone else says 'I have an idea. I know another doctor who will amputate both your hands today, so that when they come tomorrow for your three of your fingers, they'll be gone. That'll learn the bastards.'

This.

Absolutely this - I cannot understand the 'lefts' taking the view they do - that the shortage of health care, the shortage of houses, the overcrowding and change to our country - was all the fault of the conservatives rather than the massive increase in immigration.

Why did it increase over the last 10 years? (ignore the early years in the coalition) - because illegal migration has found a loophole via the virtual 'open door' policy that currently prevails.

All the labour lovers hailng the 'landslide' (which it wasn't) be careful what you wish for.
No doctors, nurses or dentists will be arriving via the 'open door' - the BMA already restricts the number of med school places.

Agree about the impractical policies of Jean-Luc Melachon and also note he has made anti-Semitic comments in his response to what is happening in Gaza.

There are I think enough assembly members in the other parties in the Nouveau Front Populaire, the Ensemble group and other smaller parties to decide upon a Prime Minister that can run a government for the next three years.

Although seen as a defeat for the RN, they have increased their number of seats, so there should be no complacency.

All this post- rationalisation of the FPTP system, didn’t see Clacton on Sea protesting about the wrongs of the electoral system prior to the election! The Labour government has a mandate to govern, PR is destabilising and nothing can get done!

I don’t doubt any of this, but how did the pro-Putin stuff come about? Was it akin to Corbyn’s sinister, old Trot fixation with the USSR/Russian Fed? Has Melanchon opposed support for Ukraine? Fucking terrifying if so.

@ClawedUkelele@FinalCeleryScheme
He agreed that putin needed to annex crimea but since then he had said he didn't agree with the invasion.
However he sounds like an absolute nutter to be frank and someone I would be very worried about getting near power.

'@ainymcrainrain
Amazing how people who think they are progressive and tolerant are just as hateful and intolerant as the people they hate'

That's a really daft argument.

No one should 'tolerate' people who are racist, xenophobic, homophobic or sexist.

Some views cannot be reconciled with decent, caring societies and should absolutely be challenged and fought against.

We should also remember what happened in history when far right parties were allowed to take over and started victimising specific group of people based on their ethnicity and religion unopposed.

I am never forgetting that.

I believe so, yes. Not a complete expert so I won't state anything as fact that I am not completely clear on, but I think that is the general gist of it.

Thanks. I’ll Google him and see what’s on the record. I have a horrible feeling that his partially disagreeing with Russia’s attacks probably means he’s one of those “I oppose it, a bit, but I don’t support arming Ukraine because I’m a humanitarian” lying wankers.

Why is it always "far right"? Can't you just be right or centre right?

Well, yes, you can be. But the ones I'm talking about are the far right Reform types. And yes, they are absolutely far right.

@Startingagainandagain because those on the far left also don't like lots of groups and are anti sematic. This has been the point on the thread and melachelon (sp) is anti sematic.
So why are people cheering the far right being stopped (good of course) but don't seem to care about the hard left?