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To be so happy at so many women in the cabinet

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Standupcitizen · 06/07/2024 19:16

Anyone else absolutely thrilled to see women represented equally in the cabinet for the first time ever?

22 appointments. 11 women, 11 men. It seems completely deliberate. Previously the highest % of females in the cabinet was something like 38%. First female chancellor in history as well.

I feel elated that for the first time in my life, we have equality of the sexes in government.

Whatever you think of starmer, the labour party or of the women in question, this is absolutely huge to me, i feel ridiculously emotional about it. I think as a woman who has been dismissed, talked over, belittled, discriminated against and overlooked for promotion in favour of men in the workplace - if the government can do it, then other companies have no excuse.

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feellikeanalien · 06/07/2024 21:42

Churchview · 06/07/2024 21:01

Lammy is a terrible choice for one of the top offices of state - his skin colour is irrelevant to his intelligence/ ability, but probably guaranteed his appointment.

David Lamy has two degrees (he was the first black Briton at Harvard Law School), has worked in the law in both the UK and USA and has been in politics for over a quarter of a century both in power and in opposition.

Who else would be more qualified for his role?
Starmer has made some amazing appointments in his determination to achieve the aims he's set out for the country.
Why would anyone think he'd appoint someone incompetent just 'for optics'? The suggestion's ludicrous.

That may be so but he thinks that a man can grow a cervix.

Vikina · 06/07/2024 21:42

I don't care. I want the best person for the job.

LenaMoon · 06/07/2024 21:42

HebburnPokemon · 06/07/2024 21:40

We are discussing the offspring of private schooling not the parents.

Exactly, so why discriminate against the son of a local scrap metal merchant who went to private school cost his parents could afford it?

Standupcitizen · 06/07/2024 21:44

LenaMoon · 06/07/2024 21:35

They always were represented in government. A balance is better than all state education or all privately educated.

Sunak's cabinet were almost 9 times more likely to have attended private school. 45% attended oxbridge.

I'm very happy that we have cabinet ministers in prominent positions who have grown up in social housing, used free school meals and attended state schools. I am able to have hope that the government might understand what things are like at this end of the scale and start to look after working class people.

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Humdingerydoo · 06/07/2024 21:44

Actually, in terms of ethnicity and sex the new cabinet is a pretty good representation of the UK. Well, of England and Wales anyway. I haven't looked at Scotland and NI as this is what came up when I googled as I was interested after reading this thread.

2/22 Asian 9%

1/22 Black 4.5%
1/22 White other 4.5% (Ed Miliband - European Jewish ethnicity)

Would have been nice to see even more minorities represented but this really isn't as bad as this thread made it sound.

To be so happy at so many women in the cabinet
Standupcitizen · 06/07/2024 21:45

IdLikeToBeAFraser · 06/07/2024 21:37

I would love.labour to select a woman leader at some point. But honestly, inwill take the 50% over a token woman leader. Why? Because with 50% representation, it's genuinely not a good assumption to imagine a man when considering any cabinet position. That has never ever been the case before. We can all.agree that assuming leaders/people in charge are men is not great but the stats backed up that assumption. Today, in Britain, that's just not true. That is momentus. You might not know who a particular cabinet member is but automatically assuming its a man is just 50% likely to be right.

Life changing for me as a women who has spent her entire life looking around asking, "why aren't there more women here?"

Yes - exactly.

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LenaMoon · 06/07/2024 21:46

Standupcitizen · 06/07/2024 21:44

Sunak's cabinet were almost 9 times more likely to have attended private school. 45% attended oxbridge.

I'm very happy that we have cabinet ministers in prominent positions who have grown up in social housing, used free school meals and attended state schools. I am able to have hope that the government might understand what things are like at this end of the scale and start to look after working class people.

Dont confuse privately educated with Oxbridge. Many of Starmer's cabinet went to Oxbridge, but anyone in theory can go if theyre clever enough.

Churchview · 06/07/2024 21:48

LenaMoon · 06/07/2024 21:42

Exactly, so why discriminate against the son of a local scrap metal merchant who went to private school cost his parents could afford it?

Who's discriminating against him?

Standupcitizen · 06/07/2024 21:49

LenaMoon · 06/07/2024 21:46

Dont confuse privately educated with Oxbridge. Many of Starmer's cabinet went to Oxbridge, but anyone in theory can go if theyre clever enough.

You missed the bit about 9 times more likely to be privately educated.

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ilovesooty · 06/07/2024 21:49

feellikeanalien · 06/07/2024 21:42

That may be so but he thinks that a man can grow a cervix.

I care about his competence for the Cabinet role he's been given, not that he said something that GC women didn't like.

absquatulize · 06/07/2024 21:50

ilovesooty · 06/07/2024 21:49

I care about his competence for the Cabinet role he's been given, not that he said something that GC women didn't like.

I like that Lammy has already been to visit some of our European friends. A positive sign.

cardibach · 06/07/2024 21:51

BIossomtoes · 06/07/2024 21:00

The Conservatives have had 3 female prime ministers the first one being in 1979

And they were all fuck ups. We’re still living with the damage two of them did.

Which one do you think didn’t cause lasting damage?

LenaMoon · 06/07/2024 21:53

cardibach · 06/07/2024 21:51

Which one do you think didn’t cause lasting damage?

Every PM causes lasting damage in their own way.

StarDolphins · 06/07/2024 21:53

They could have 22 feminists in but imo they’re still going to take away all the countryside, borrow more than they can afford, pass ULEZ, means-test our pension, over tax people & chuck millions at a terribly run NHS.

BIossomtoes · 06/07/2024 21:53

cardibach · 06/07/2024 21:51

Which one do you think didn’t cause lasting damage?

I’m on the fence about May but it could be a full house.

Standupcitizen · 06/07/2024 21:54

It's like I'm not allowed to be happy that we finally have women and the working class represented in government because it means we are somehow discriminating against privately educated men - who are among the most privileged people in society and the least likely to be actually discriminated against!

Someone please make it make sense!

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BIossomtoes · 06/07/2024 21:54

StarDolphins · 06/07/2024 21:53

They could have 22 feminists in but imo they’re still going to take away all the countryside, borrow more than they can afford, pass ULEZ, means-test our pension, over tax people & chuck millions at a terribly run NHS.

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What a delightfully vivid imagination you have.

ilovesooty · 06/07/2024 21:55

StarDolphins · 06/07/2024 21:53

They could have 22 feminists in but imo they’re still going to take away all the countryside, borrow more than they can afford, pass ULEZ, means-test our pension, over tax people & chuck millions at a terribly run NHS.

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Could you please provide links proving that all these interventions are firmly intended government policy?

StarDolphins · 06/07/2024 21:57

ilovesooty · 06/07/2024 21:55

Could you please provide links proving that all these interventions are firmly intended government policy?

just for you, I’ve edited to state the obvious that’s it ‘imo’ & time will tell!

LenaMoon · 06/07/2024 22:00

@Standupcitizen of course it's a reason to celebrate, a mix of men and women is a good thing and we've come a long way since Blair's Babes of 1997.

OvaHere · 06/07/2024 22:02

ilovesooty · 06/07/2024 21:49

I care about his competence for the Cabinet role he's been given, not that he said something that GC women didn't like.

Saying something so stupid and scientifically illiterate doesn't exactly give confidence in this hidden competence.

Liz Truss was roundly dunked on as Foreign Secretary for saying something stupid about cheese and even that wasn't as stupid as Lammy thinking men can grow a cervix.

cardibach · 06/07/2024 22:04

BIossomtoes · 06/07/2024 21:53

I’m on the fence about May but it could be a full house.

I thought it would be May…Brexit red lines make her a lasting damager for me - even though she didn’t finish the job, she limited the options.

NoSnowdrop · 06/07/2024 22:04

BIossomtoes · 06/07/2024 21:01

Exactly. Thatcher never had a single woman in Cabinet in eleven years.

Prime Ministers who happen to be female (that’s without penises, Keir & your ideologically captured cabinet of MPs who lack the ability to critically think for themselves) aren’t elected to office to do anything specifically for their sex. They’re supposedly there to govern the country.

Margaret Thatcher abhorred box ticking exercises and so hardly would’ve been the PM to hire women (the ones without penises!) for the optics. (Hello Kier!)

Especially when she had managed to break into the higher echelons of the Tory party at a time when many of her own party looked down on her for being lower or middle class.

LlynTegid · 06/07/2024 22:06

You should be happy as I am that there are as many women in the cabinet, I would hope.

Also that they seem capable, and unlike those particularly in the Johnson government, include roles where you can gain political credit.

Standupcitizen · 06/07/2024 22:07

Just to reiterate the point from @IdLikeToBeAFraser ...

Life changing for me as a women who has spent her entire life looking around asking, "why aren't there more women here?"

This is the point.

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