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To be so happy at so many women in the cabinet

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Standupcitizen · 06/07/2024 19:16

Anyone else absolutely thrilled to see women represented equally in the cabinet for the first time ever?

22 appointments. 11 women, 11 men. It seems completely deliberate. Previously the highest % of females in the cabinet was something like 38%. First female chancellor in history as well.

I feel elated that for the first time in my life, we have equality of the sexes in government.

Whatever you think of starmer, the labour party or of the women in question, this is absolutely huge to me, i feel ridiculously emotional about it. I think as a woman who has been dismissed, talked over, belittled, discriminated against and overlooked for promotion in favour of men in the workplace - if the government can do it, then other companies have no excuse.

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tedgran · 08/07/2024 10:52

Times radio just announced Annaliese Dodds has a post for "women and equality " heaven help us .

BIossomtoes · 08/07/2024 11:03

MistyGreenAndBlue · 08/07/2024 10:17

Whereas you @Blossomtoes are so opaque nobody could ever penetrate your agenda 😂

I haven’t got an agenda. Just opinions and priorities. I don’t share yours. 🤷‍♀️

ilovesooty · 08/07/2024 11:16

I can't see the likes of Rachel Reeves being some kind of "handmaiden" in the cabinet.

BIossomtoes · 08/07/2024 11:21

ilovesooty · 08/07/2024 11:16

I can't see the likes of Rachel Reeves being some kind of "handmaiden" in the cabinet.

Definitely not. She’s a warrior.

absquatulize · 08/07/2024 11:22

ilovesooty · 08/07/2024 11:16

I can't see the likes of Rachel Reeves being some kind of "handmaiden" in the cabinet.

But there is also Angela Rayner who is only in it to buy houses.

I must say it is refreshing that since the election we haven't had an appearance from But Jeremy Corbyn, although all its successors are still going strong.

swimsong · 08/07/2024 11:42

MistyGreenAndBlue · 07/07/2024 15:34

The election results prove no such thing. Reform and Conservative together got a higher % of votes than Labour did.
Many people don't trust them. I'm one of them.

76% voted in favour of getting the Tories out.

62% voted for progressive/centre/left parties.

cardibach · 08/07/2024 12:19

absquatulize · 08/07/2024 07:07

David Blunkett wasn't a minister in the last Labour government,

ummm…

To be so happy at so many women in the cabinet
cardibach · 08/07/2024 12:21

absquatulize · 08/07/2024 07:20

Sorry that posted before I had finished.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41796213

David Blunkett wasn't a minister in the last Labour government, he wasn't a minister after November 2005.

The picture I just posted suggests he was. Also I think it’s very nit-picky to say someone who was a minister during the last time Labour were in government wasn’t a minister in the last Labour government just because he may (or may not) have still been there in the last section of it.

Nanny0gg · 08/07/2024 12:26

Chickenuggetsticks · 06/07/2024 20:45

Depends on the woman really. A lot of them struggle with understanding what a woman is and why she may need sex based rights. I’m really glad that Duffield retained her seat though.

Yes. Annaliese Dodds was an inspired choice - not Confused

Ronscrimpleton · 08/07/2024 17:50

Yeah it’s great. Hopefully we can equal out the numbers in road work jobs, power line instalment, sewer work, bin collection. Oh it’s just the positions of power and influence that the numbers matter isn’t it? Perhaps we could equal the number in prisons too, massively underrepresented there.

cupcaske123 · 08/07/2024 17:53

Ronscrimpleton · 08/07/2024 17:50

Yeah it’s great. Hopefully we can equal out the numbers in road work jobs, power line instalment, sewer work, bin collection. Oh it’s just the positions of power and influence that the numbers matter isn’t it? Perhaps we could equal the number in prisons too, massively underrepresented there.

You're making a lot of sense.

Standupcitizen · 08/07/2024 18:06

Ronscrimpleton · 08/07/2024 17:50

Yeah it’s great. Hopefully we can equal out the numbers in road work jobs, power line instalment, sewer work, bin collection. Oh it’s just the positions of power and influence that the numbers matter isn’t it? Perhaps we could equal the number in prisons too, massively underrepresented there.

Um .. ok...

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StarDolphins · 08/07/2024 18:17

absquatulize · 06/07/2024 22:15

Did it come with pictures to illustrate the effects of each policy?

How would an opinion be able to come with pictures? Strange🤣

cardibach · 08/07/2024 18:18

Ronscrimpleton · 08/07/2024 17:50

Yeah it’s great. Hopefully we can equal out the numbers in road work jobs, power line instalment, sewer work, bin collection. Oh it’s just the positions of power and influence that the numbers matter isn’t it? Perhaps we could equal the number in prisons too, massively underrepresented there.

Taking this at face value for a moment…
Yes, if a woman wanted to have one of those jobs, she absolutely should be able to. Currently non-academic young women are largely limited to care work and beauty type jobs, both poorly paid and insecure. Some of those in your list would offer much better prospects.
in terms of prisons we should definitely equalise - by reducing the number of men. Listen to the new prisons minister. His experience shows him that at least a third of male prisoners don’t really require a custodial sentence. It’s more than that of women, though, so to treat everyone fairly we are go8ng to have to deal with the issues that lead people to crime.

absquatulize · 08/07/2024 18:37

StarDolphins · 08/07/2024 18:17

How would an opinion be able to come with pictures? Strange🤣

I think it would be helpful for the analysis to have pictures.

SharonEllis · 08/07/2024 18:58

Ronscrimpleton · 08/07/2024 17:50

Yeah it’s great. Hopefully we can equal out the numbers in road work jobs, power line instalment, sewer work, bin collection. Oh it’s just the positions of power and influence that the numbers matter isn’t it? Perhaps we could equal the number in prisons too, massively underrepresented there.

I would very much welcome men committing crime at the same level as women.

Isitsixoclockalready · 08/07/2024 19:45

It's superb to have such a representative cabinet and overall, it seems like a well thought-out one too. Particularly impressed with the idea of appointing people who know what they're doing rather than shoe horning people into roles that they don't necessarily have any expertise at. Early days but encouraging signs.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 08/07/2024 19:55

SharonEllis · 08/07/2024 18:58

I would very much welcome men committing crime at the same level as women.

Absolutely.

Champagnesocialismo · 08/07/2024 20:12

Ronscrimpleton · 08/07/2024 17:50

Yeah it’s great. Hopefully we can equal out the numbers in road work jobs, power line instalment, sewer work, bin collection. Oh it’s just the positions of power and influence that the numbers matter isn’t it? Perhaps we could equal the number in prisons too, massively underrepresented there.

Are you always this stupid or is just especially for this thread?

absquatulize · 08/07/2024 20:17

In other news 7/29 members of the Shadow Cabinet are female.

I am a little puzzled why Call me Dave thinks it would be a problem the Shadow Foreign Secretary being in the Lords, but not the Foreign Secretary being the same.

BIossomtoes · 08/07/2024 20:19

absquatulize · 08/07/2024 20:17

In other news 7/29 members of the Shadow Cabinet are female.

I am a little puzzled why Call me Dave thinks it would be a problem the Shadow Foreign Secretary being in the Lords, but not the Foreign Secretary being the same.

To be fair, Sunak’s probably found it difficult to scrape up enough MPs of either sex to form a shadow cabinet.

absquatulize · 08/07/2024 20:21

BIossomtoes · 08/07/2024 20:19

To be fair, Sunak’s probably found it difficult to scrape up enough MPs of either sex to form a shadow cabinet.

Shall we speculate on why the Shadow Welsh Secretary is in the HoLs?

Champagnesocialismo · 08/07/2024 20:24

absquatulize · 08/07/2024 20:17

In other news 7/29 members of the Shadow Cabinet are female.

I am a little puzzled why Call me Dave thinks it would be a problem the Shadow Foreign Secretary being in the Lords, but not the Foreign Secretary being the same.

i think I know this one. It’s account…account…

Got it. You can only have limited accuntability if you are in the Lords and you can’t see your opposition.

LakieLady · 08/07/2024 21:21

Standupcitizen · 07/07/2024 18:07

Because the law says that males with a GRC are legally women. He's a lawyer. He's going to speak according to laws.

He can't say woman is an adult human female, because the law (which is a fallacy that the tories stood fully behind and which they had no intention of changing or repealing) allows male people to become legally women. To say otherwise would have lost a lot of LGBTQ+ votes. As it is, he has actually come under a lot of flak from the T community and their allies for saying he will protect women's safe spaces because it excludes transwomen.

Starmer also said he agreed with someone else with the biological definition. I expect that's as far as he can go - he's trying to tread a thin line, and doing so has helped him win the election.

Until so called Mumsnet feminists get the hell over themselves with misrepresenting what starmer said and the reason he HAD to say it, they'll just keep going round and round in their echo chamber, while starmer gets on with ensuring women have a seat at the table in the real world.

Most women couldn't give a fuck about what he said or didn't say. They just want to be able to work, afford to live, look after their kids, get decent healthcare, not be attacked and if they are, to be able to get justice.

Yet all some people care about is whining on and on and on about "he doesn't know what a woman is". That phrase can fuck right off. We've all heard it a million times, yes he does know, and some of us don't care anyway.

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IRL, I never hear anyone who is bothered by this: not my friends, family, colleagues - not a single soul. And that's despite working in a building that has unisex bogs!

The things that matter most to the people I know are the cost of living, the cost of housing, the state of our public services esp education and the NHS.

SharonEllis · 08/07/2024 21:25

LakieLady · 08/07/2024 21:21

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IRL, I never hear anyone who is bothered by this: not my friends, family, colleagues - not a single soul. And that's despite working in a building that has unisex bogs!

The things that matter most to the people I know are the cost of living, the cost of housing, the state of our public services esp education and the NHS.

Whereas I know loads of people who care about it very much. Just because people aren't articulating it doesnt mean they dont care - they just might not feel comfortable telling you.

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