To be so happy at so many women in the cabinet

[Standupcitizen]

Anyone else absolutely thrilled to see women represented equally in the cabinet for the first time ever?

22 appointments. 11 women, 11 men. It seems completely deliberate. Previously the highest % of females in the cabinet was something like 38%. First female chancellor in history as well.

I feel elated that for the first time in my life, we have equality of the sexes in government.

Whatever you think of starmer, the labour party or of the women in question, this is absolutely huge to me, i feel ridiculously emotional about it. I think as a woman who has been dismissed, talked over, belittled, discriminated against and overlooked for promotion in favour of men in the workplace - if the government can do it, then other companies have no excuse.

The election results prove no such thing. Reform and Conservative together got a higher % of votes than Labour did.
Many people don't trust them. I'm one of them.

Not at all. You are reading something that isn't there, not sure why? I'm a big fan of Starmer. I campaigned for my local Labour candidate. I'm delighted with most of what he has said & done in recent days and I've made several supportive posts on this thread & others. I think he has mishandled the gender/women's right debate extremely badly though. I'm also a fan of Tony Blair and campaigned hard for Labour in 97 & subsequently. Nothing would have made me happier than for Keir to have made reference to the women who have campaigned on this issue rather than Blair.

Tactical voting!

Labours election strategy was based on the FPTP system, and they pulled a blinder.

Because the law says that males with a GRC are legally women. He's a lawyer. He's going to speak according to laws.

He can't say woman is an adult human female, because the law (which is a fallacy that the tories stood fully behind and which they had no intention of changing or repealing) allows male people to become legally women. To say otherwise would have lost a lot of LGBTQ+ votes. As it is, he has actually come under a lot of flak from the T community and their allies for saying he will protect women's safe spaces because it excludes transwomen.

Starmer also said he agreed with someone else with the biological definition. I expect that's as far as he can go - he's trying to tread a thin line, and doing so has helped him win the election.

Until so called Mumsnet feminists get the hell over themselves with misrepresenting what starmer said and the reason he HAD to say it, they'll just keep going round and round in their echo chamber, while starmer gets on with ensuring women have a seat at the table in the real world.

Most women couldn't give a fuck about what he said or didn't say. They just want to be able to work, afford to live, look after their kids, get decent healthcare, not be attacked and if they are, to be able to get justice.

Yet all some people care about is whining on and on and on about "he doesn't know what a woman is". That phrase can fuck right off. We've all heard it a million times, yes he does know, and some of us don't care anyway.

He can't say woman is an adult human female, because the law (which is a fallacy that the tories stood fully behind and which they had no intention of changing or repealing) allows male people to become legally women.

The law brought in by Labour you mean?

Also accusing women of 'whining' and the sheer nastiness in your post - not a good look.

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Yes, but only if they’re the right person for the job. If they’ve got the job based on what’s inbetween their legs then no I’m not happy. I worked somewhere where they made a big thing of hiring and promoting women but got so many wrong/put people in jobs they couldn’t do and it was a disaster all round.

Well said.

Indeed. People voted tactically to get rid of the Tories.
40% of the electorate didn't vote at all and of those that did, 62% voted for someone other than Labour

Labour won because the vote was split. NOT because this country wants them in.

Which bit wasn't true?

Do you think generally that women are less capable than men?

It’s great that there aren’t more men than women in cabinet, and I can believe it’s the first time in history, sadly. Saying that to redress long term structural imbalance actually most institutions will need at least a few centuries of female only decision- making

“I’m so so so happy that there’s so so so many women* in the cabinet but the rest of you little whinging fuckers can fuck the fuck off because I don’t like what I’m hearing from you”.

*Of course Keir (Kier!!!) knows what a woman is, he can recognise them perfectly well when it suits him to ignore what they’ve been saying all along.

Well we shall see what he actually does then

He's already said that he doesn't intend to amend the EA to clarify sex because according to him it doesn't actually need it (it definitely does in order to protect businesses who wish to provide single sex spaces from tran activists lawsuits)

He's also said he intends to "simplify" the GRA process - by which he means to remove safeguarding from it, which is the LAST thing it needs.

He continually refers to transwomen as marginalised and vulnerable which is self evident nonsense.

And as for your comments on mumsnet feminists. You are simply wrong if you believe the TRA rhetoric that only a handful of GC feminists on this site care about this issue.
There are lawsuits to prove that thousands of women- who helped fund those lawsuits- care very much about their rights
What you mean is that YOU don't care and cannot imagine that others do

As I said - we shall see.

Also, in terms of disability, how representative is Parliament? Labour had a blind cabinet minister last time there was a Labour government. If there aren’t many (any?) MPs with disabilities it’s a bit limiting selection wise….

Its brilliant and there are some stellar women in there.

Fantastic 😊

Absolutely. Legal fiction is still fiction, and if women want to have a problem and speak up about it they should. A lot of women care about males (most of whom don’t hold a GRC which is nonsensical, or have their testicles removed) being in their spaces. If you don’t care good for you. Don’t diminish those who do or make out ‘most women’ don’t care.

Women can also care about more than one issue, at the same time which the hard of thinking ‘non-feminists’ of MN find hard to grasp.

That being said I feel weirdly positively optimistic that Keir is going to finally wise up on this issue. We can but hope.

Well yes. But it’s nice to see that this may be what has happened because he hasn’t automatically chosen blokes, as has happened a lot before.

I hope you're right. 🤞

Women can be feminists without being obsessed with the trans issue. Feminism used to be a broad church. What a shame a small cabal is attempting to claim all of it.

Labour don’t need to do anything of the sort. They have a massive majority.

Edit: by this I mean they don’t have to think about things like that, or appoint people to appease different group. I actually think they support women anyway - especially the most vulnerable.

*women's rights to sex based spaces and sports issue.

But you know this.

Black Foreign secretary and Asian Justice secretary. Whites are about 90% of the UK population so having 2 non whites is roughly proportionally correct.

Oh Lord 😆