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To be so happy at so many women in the cabinet

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Standupcitizen · 06/07/2024 19:16

Anyone else absolutely thrilled to see women represented equally in the cabinet for the first time ever?

22 appointments. 11 women, 11 men. It seems completely deliberate. Previously the highest % of females in the cabinet was something like 38%. First female chancellor in history as well.

I feel elated that for the first time in my life, we have equality of the sexes in government.

Whatever you think of starmer, the labour party or of the women in question, this is absolutely huge to me, i feel ridiculously emotional about it. I think as a woman who has been dismissed, talked over, belittled, discriminated against and overlooked for promotion in favour of men in the workplace - if the government can do it, then other companies have no excuse.

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FitAt50 · 07/07/2024 19:38

FitAt50 · 07/07/2024 19:36

Black Foreign secretary and Asian Justice secretary. Whites are about 90% of the UK population so having 2 non whites is roughly proportionally correct.

And Lisa Nandy is mixed race.

BIossomtoes · 07/07/2024 19:41

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 07/07/2024 19:27

*women's rights to sex based spaces and sports issue.

But you know this.

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Trans issue. I call a spade a spade. You know this.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 07/07/2024 19:44

BIossomtoes · 07/07/2024 19:41

Trans issue. I call a spade a spade. You know this.

Except when the spade is a bucket.

Any MN feminist moaning about transmen being in their spaces? No.

It’s a ‘male’ issue.

Why do you care so much that a lot, NOT ALL, women don’t want males in their spaces? If you don’t care why do you continually pop upon various threads to say it’s not an issue? What do you get out of it?

ilovesooty · 07/07/2024 19:55

The composition of the new Cabinet is not about males in women's spaces is it?

BIossomtoes · 07/07/2024 20:26

ilovesooty · 07/07/2024 19:55

The composition of the new Cabinet is not about males in women's spaces is it?

No, but any excuse. It can be shoehorned into anything if you try hard enough.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 07/07/2024 20:29

ilovesooty · 07/07/2024 19:55

The composition of the new Cabinet is not about males in women's spaces is it?

Is it about race and disabilities? Or can conversation evolve as people bring up different points?

There's no Punch without Judy eh @BIossomtoes @ilovesooty 😉

absquatulize · 07/07/2024 20:36

MistyGreenAndBlue · 07/07/2024 15:34

The election results prove no such thing. Reform and Conservative together got a higher % of votes than Labour did.
Many people don't trust them. I'm one of them.

In 1951 Churchill's Tory party got a smaller share of the vote than Atlee's Labour party.
Who became PM?

absquatulize · 07/07/2024 20:44

cardibach · 07/07/2024 19:14

Also, in terms of disability, how representative is Parliament? Labour had a blind cabinet minister last time there was a Labour government. If there aren’t many (any?) MPs with disabilities it’s a bit limiting selection wise….

Yes indeed Gordon Brown is a very impressive person.

MistyGreenAndBlue · 07/07/2024 21:11

absquatulize · 07/07/2024 20:36

In 1951 Churchill's Tory party got a smaller share of the vote than Atlee's Labour party.
Who became PM?

What's your point?

absquatulize · 07/07/2024 21:20

MistyGreenAndBlue · 07/07/2024 21:11

What's your point?

I just wondered if you knew the answer.

HebburnPokemon · 07/07/2024 21:23

MistyGreenAndBlue · 07/07/2024 18:41

Indeed. People voted tactically to get rid of the Tories.
40% of the electorate didn't vote at all and of those that did, 62% voted for someone other than Labour

Labour won because the vote was split. NOT because this country wants them in.

People voted tactically knowing very well that the result would be a labour government.

That sounds like a damn good mandate to me.

Screamingabdabz · 07/07/2024 21:29

Standupcitizen · 07/07/2024 18:07

Because the law says that males with a GRC are legally women. He's a lawyer. He's going to speak according to laws.

He can't say woman is an adult human female, because the law (which is a fallacy that the tories stood fully behind and which they had no intention of changing or repealing) allows male people to become legally women. To say otherwise would have lost a lot of LGBTQ+ votes. As it is, he has actually come under a lot of flak from the T community and their allies for saying he will protect women's safe spaces because it excludes transwomen.

Starmer also said he agreed with someone else with the biological definition. I expect that's as far as he can go - he's trying to tread a thin line, and doing so has helped him win the election.

Until so called Mumsnet feminists get the hell over themselves with misrepresenting what starmer said and the reason he HAD to say it, they'll just keep going round and round in their echo chamber, while starmer gets on with ensuring women have a seat at the table in the real world.

Most women couldn't give a fuck about what he said or didn't say. They just want to be able to work, afford to live, look after their kids, get decent healthcare, not be attacked and if they are, to be able to get justice.

Yet all some people care about is whining on and on and on about "he doesn't know what a woman is". That phrase can fuck right off. We've all heard it a million times, yes he does know, and some of us don't care anyway.

You don’t care about women and girls’ hard won rights and dignities? Wow.

cupcaske123 · 07/07/2024 21:33

Screamingabdabz · 07/07/2024 21:29

You don’t care about women and girls’ hard won rights and dignities? Wow.

That's not what I took from that post at all.

Sahara123 · 07/07/2024 21:35

Scottishgirl85 · 06/07/2024 20:12

The best person should get the job. I couldn't give a toss if they're male/female/white/black/etc etc.

This, exactly.

absquatulize · 07/07/2024 21:35

cupcaske123 · 07/07/2024 21:33

That's not what I took from that post at all.

I assumed they had quoted the wrong post in their reply.

cupcaske123 · 07/07/2024 21:40

absquatulize · 07/07/2024 21:35

I assumed they had quoted the wrong post in their reply.

Ah. Maybe.

Fangisnotacoward · 07/07/2024 21:45

I'm glad to see the level of state education there as well.

cupcaske123 · 07/07/2024 21:54

Fangisnotacoward · 07/07/2024 21:45

I'm glad to see the level of state education there as well.

It's apparently the most diverse parliament ever. I'm absolutely delighted not only with the amount of women in parliament and those in the top jobs, but also with the amount of state educated people.

cardibach · 07/07/2024 22:03

absquatulize · 07/07/2024 20:44

Yes indeed Gordon Brown is a very impressive person.

He has one eye, but isn’t blind. David Blunkett.

brunettemic · 07/07/2024 22:24

EarthlyNightshade · 07/07/2024 18:48

Do you think generally that women are less capable than men?

No, how on earth have you made that leap? If the wrong person, regardless of gender, is put in a job then it’s not the right course of action. So if the women in the cabinet are there because they’re the right people for the job, I’m ecstatic, if they’re in those roles because they’re not men and aren’t the right people then no, I’m not happy.
When you’ve had to build cost models to recover parts of a business, including making a lot of people (some of whom are friends of mine) redundant, due to the incompetency of people put in roles they didn’t have the skills and experience for but happened to not have a penis between their legs then you might understand what I’m saying.

Crikeyalmighty · 07/07/2024 22:30

@Scottishgirl85 totally agree- I'm not into box ticking- best person for the job gets the job -

BIossomtoes · 07/07/2024 22:39

Or me.

Standupcitizen · 07/07/2024 22:43

Screamingabdabz · 07/07/2024 21:29

You don’t care about women and girls’ hard won rights and dignities? Wow.

I do care. I just don't agree that they are under attack to the extent that a few mumsnetters do.

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HelenaWaiting · 08/07/2024 02:49

MistyGreenAndBlue · 07/07/2024 15:34

The election results prove no such thing. Reform and Conservative together got a higher % of votes than Labour did.
Many people don't trust them. I'm one of them.

That's dishonest. If your adding the votes for the Tories and Reform together, you should be comparing them to all the votes for progressive parties added together. All you're doing is shuffling numbers around until you get the answer you want.

absquatulize · 08/07/2024 07:07

cardibach · 07/07/2024 22:03

He has one eye, but isn’t blind. David Blunkett.

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David Blunkett wasn't a minister in the last Labour government,