To hope all the reform voters take a hard look in the mirror?

[Tukmgru]

I have to wonder how you live with yourselves. It’s like you know you’re awful people, not just filled with spite and hate but also motivated by it. I genuinely am so baffled how you can sit here on this forum that is largely about supporting others through difficult times - perhaps you’ve found help and comfort in the various threads MN has to offer, and then you go ‘yep, fuck everyone else’.

My aunt was a BNP and then UKIP supporter, and a grifter par excellence throughout her life, and all of her arguments were the same as the arguments I’ve seen on here by Reform voters here. 4 million people went out there to declare ‘I’m a complete dickhead to everyone around me but want everyone to hand everything to me on a spoon’

Just fuck off.

(I’m not even a labour or green or whatever voter, I just think you’re awful people and deserve nothing but contempt)

Reform - the party of the ‘proper’ English

because all foreigners are bad and inferior

where does Lucy Letby come from?

In case someone have not watched this yet

No it was not a hired actor

Quality of life for white British people has declined while high qualified immigrants arrive and have comfortable lives. Living with other cultures is also different. Seeing the street where your granny lived now only lived in by people of a different culture can be threatening.
White men are higher earners so paying higher taxes effects them. Loss of Christianity in the UK means people no longer see that they should help others.
The ukip councillors were very useless so if the reform MPs treat their constituency similarly they may not last long.

Well this thread and the "oh but Reasons" crowd only confirms my worst fears.
Sleepwalking, or in too many cases outright proudly goosestepping, to disaster.
History talks, but y'all don't want to listen.

Yes @peanutbuttertoasty not listening contributes to this. I have a relative living in a small town who found out that a local hotel is being used to house immigrants. Locals were unhappy that the authorities did not communicate or consult with them about what was happening. As my relative said, it was less about the immigrants but more about how those in power were treating the locals, with total contempt it seemed. Not surprisingly the reform vote went up there.

This.

I really do get your frustration, unlike a lot of others on here. These voters presumably watched or read about the comments made by people high up in Reform and either agreed or didn’t care. That’s not great. Shows a remarkable lack of empathy and a high level of intolerance.

It’s no surprise that they’ve won in the areas most deprived and forgotten about. Labour needs to be thinking about how to improve these areas and lives for those people and it’ll be a massive challenge. That’s the key to destroying the Reform vote. The Tories promised levelling up money and it got spent in places like T Wells.

I do hope the national discourse about immigrants changes under Labour. The Tories purposefully scapegoated immigrants, less hate talk from the government in charge might make these views less acceptable and so Reform will seem more extreme in five years. Here’s hoping.

Also think it’s a great idea to spread where immigrants live. I live in an affluent town in the South East and we’ve had a few, because people here aren’t experiencing economic problems they’ve been welcomed with open arms and have assimilated really well.

This! It is not racist to raise legitimate concerns over how immigration will be handled, what the impact is ect, what will change.

what is racist is to use racist language, stereotyping or intimidation towards immigrants/ any minority. Or anyone for that matter!

somehow the two get lumped together as everything is racist. As with all things there are good things and bad things about immigration but according to the left, saying anything bad is racist. I say this as an immigrant myself so please do discount my view.

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Although Clacton has a larger than average white British population - it's seems much less affected by immigration than say Ipswich which is quite close ( with my geography anyway )

The communities most affected by immigration are not necessarily the ones voting reform

What differentiates the areas that vote reform may be local deprivation - visibility of the wealth gap

By simply calling reform voters racist you refuse to engage with what drives them , what their issues really are and create a them and us divided society - just the right environment for a facsist rise to power - the divisions in society helped hitler more than anything

Yes they may be misplaced ( not everyone is clever like you ) in blaming immigrants for their problems but their problems are real and only one party has directly spoken to them with dignity and respect

So if you want a fascist government in future carry in being rude insulting and ignorant and carry on driving people away from you