To hope all the reform voters take a hard look in the mirror?

[Tukmgru]

I have to wonder how you live with yourselves. It’s like you know you’re awful people, not just filled with spite and hate but also motivated by it. I genuinely am so baffled how you can sit here on this forum that is largely about supporting others through difficult times - perhaps you’ve found help and comfort in the various threads MN has to offer, and then you go ‘yep, fuck everyone else’.

My aunt was a BNP and then UKIP supporter, and a grifter par excellence throughout her life, and all of her arguments were the same as the arguments I’ve seen on here by Reform voters here. 4 million people went out there to declare ‘I’m a complete dickhead to everyone around me but want everyone to hand everything to me on a spoon’

Just fuck off.

(I’m not even a labour or green or whatever voter, I just think you’re awful people and deserve nothing but contempt)

This sneering, bigoted attitude from the left is probably pushing people to vote for reform to stick it to you. Try a bit of critical thinking and consider why people might vote for them instead of just screaming about what racists they are.

try not to be so hate filled towards people who don’t think the way you do.

and no I didn’t vote reform

Completely agree OP but the people you are talking about will never reflect and be ashamed. Some people just don’t have empathy for those they consider “other”.
I frequently speak up against bigotry in it’s various forms and sometimes it gets really depressing that so many people are so awful.

I think some people just vote for whoever as they don’t really understand the various parties’ manifestos. Someone I know( not well) admitted that politics bores them. They voted Reform. In some cases, folks were voting tactically to get the Tories out. I came across a very interesting blogger who gave a list of areas & the party to vote for to help remove The Conservatives. In my area it was Labour. I had considered voting Green but ended up voting Labour after listening to the blog.
I remember a similar situation with Brexit. No clue what any of it meant or whether it was best to vote in or out. Can’t even remember which way I voted now. So OP I wouldn’t be too quick to judge.

Would people still be saying you can vote for who you like if instead of voting Reform people had voted for BNP or National Front.

And for those who voted Reform can you explain how their policies are costed

I wonder how many of those 4 million voted tactically ? Regardless, I thank them for helping to get the Conservatives out and Labour in

I’m sorry you feel that way, but you also need to understand many British white people are also feeling pushed out of their own communities.,After decades living in one place we have had to move away
due to the high levels of immigrants moving into our area, people who have no intention of integrating. This destroyed the existing community, crime rose (esp youth violent knife crime) businesses were shutting because the new residents didn’t use them. Community events that had been long established stopped because all the new residents didn’t attend. Neighbours were only concerned about their own community so the long established neighbourly feel
disappeared. Schooling was disrupted by high levels of non-English speakers, they had bulge classes to cope with the higher than average numbers of children. These classes diluted the available teachers. Communities circulated housing close to the best schools within their community so no one else could get a place. Kids who had gone through primary school together were bussed 10-15 miles away as they couldn’t get into their catchment school. There were rising levels of open misogyny as women (esp white women) were seen as second class citizens. Locals are unable to secure housing. People vote for who fits their interests best. This is why people are voting Reform because they are the party willing to tackle this. The problem isn’t just people coming in on boats, it’s the lack of integration.

We have purposely moved to an area where this isn’t happening (yet). When we moved to this area we have set out to be involved with our new community as much as possible, using and supporting local business, attending local events. Changing to fit in with local culture.

Reform supporters aren't generally known for their high intellect. My kindest assumption about these voters is that most aren't aware of the odious underlying ideology of the party they chose to cast their vote for. .

Well they want to scrap the equality act which legally prevents discrimination on grounds of sex, race, age and disability... They also want to stop regulation on landlords meaning renters will have v little rights (but still unable to buy a house), and they also plan to force people to take any job if they're unemployed or they will lose their benefits - which presumably could mean forcing someone to take a zero hours contract, with no benefits to fall back on if they don't get any paid hours? Leaving them with nothing?

But that aside, their plans were never costed out truthfully and are out by tens of billions, and the things you mention above aren't done by previous govts at least partly because of cost. You can say what you like, look at the 350 million weekly to the NHS brexiteers lied about, doesn't make it true.

Sweden would be good. Social democracy, excellent quality of life, great schools, healthcare, parental leave, holiday, pay etc. Progressive on things like prison.

If I were you I'd look into that before going. Sweden has seen some rapid changes in the last decade. They have quite the gun crime problem.

The reality is that Europe is swinging hard to the right, due to immigration and poor economic outlook. US might be about to re-elect Trump.

There's always Canada I suppose.

Oh here we go, someone doesn’t agree with me, they must be thick.

Many people who voted Reform are highly intelligent, they can see the multifaceted issues which arise from high levels of immigration, or more accurately the lack of integration.,
So do toddle off with your uneducated and I’ll thought through statements.

This says more about you than it does them.

I'll voted Reform and am doing a doctorate.

Threads like this only serve to prove that this country is full of bitter, uneducated idiots who can’t accept that people have different perspectives and live different lives.

FWIW, I didn’t vote reform. But people who did have seen something in their policies that align with them.
Perhaps they are living in an area where illegal immigrants are being housed and they are seeing the problems caused by this (I am in one such area), perhaps they like Reforms policies about education and the NHS.

OP, the world does not revolve around YOU, YOUR life and YOUR experiences.

The amount of hatred I am reading from people who can only see things through their own eyes is extremely concerning.

You’d vote for misogyny and racism just to get rid of Keir Starmer?

I was pretty shocked to see how many people voted Reform but I wouldn't shame them for voting differently to me. We live in a democracy and everyone is free to vote whoever they want. If you don't agree with how someone has voted, perhaps try and understand why instead of hating them.

Did you see the Jess Philips debacle. Is Reform your biggest concern and the only politics that makes you want to flee the country?
*Disclaimer, I didn't and would never vote Reform however after witnessing that nonsense, where I once would've judged someone who did I'm more inclined to be open minded as to why some people might.

My DH voted Labour “ because we need a change” has absolutely zero knowledge of any of their policies. I suspect, like you say many people voted for many of the parties for this reason

We just voted in so many Labour MPs there isnt room on the government side to fit them all in, along with over 70 LDs. There are 4 Reform MPs. Farage is a monster but we are not sleepwalking into fascism.

This, exactly.

I think one of the genuinely scary things about Reform/Nigel is that those that support him, more often than not, are quite passionate about what the party stands for (well what they think it stands for), and really believe in it. It gives them a sense of hope and a feeling of being heard. Whereas if you're a Conservative or Labour voter, it's usually a case of picking the one you least dislike

Ah yet another keyboard warrior telling people what to think

Nige for Prime Minister 😆😆

I don’t think your last statement is true in the slightest.

However, there as a lot of tactical voting in this election.

They do but it's mostly confined to specific areas.

Numerous teenagers have been stabbed and killed in my town this year already, I think I'd accept the trade off.

There is a chance that Sweden will swing right in the next 5 - 10 years however anyway.

This kind of misogyny is now common place in areas of Birmingham - it was one of the reasons we left.

I'm not a reform voter but perhaps you should take a look in the mirror yourself and stop sneering at other people. We live in a democracy and people can choose to vote how they wish. Many people are utterly disillusioned by recent governance of this country.

You are no better than anyone else, full of hate.