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To think that my sons teacher is making a big deal out of something quite small

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Eshmee · 05/07/2024 18:53

So my little boy is 4. He's in foundation at school and is the youngest in his year. He struggles with regulating his emotions and sometimes when angry or upset will hit rather than use his words to explain what he wants or why he's upset. We have soent alot of time on this explaining how to vocalise what he wants but as I said, he's 4 and from all the parenting advice sites etc I gather that this is fairly normal behaviour for a child of his age.

Today when I collected him from school the teacher told me that whilst waiting in line for assembly he grabbed a teacher assistant by the arm quite hard as she was walking past and this was hard enough to leave a little red mark on her arm. His teacher told me that this teacher assistant is new and was quote shocked so instead of asking him what he needed she ignored him and carried om walking. My little boy was then removed from assembly a whllile later by a more senior teacher and was told off. She also asked him why he had done it but by this time he had forgotten. Whilst I understand that isnis never acceptable to grab, he tells me that he didn't know her name and that he wanted to walk with her to assembly.
When his class teacher was relaying all of this to me she made it sound like a had a violet thug for a son. AIBU to think she's made a big deal out of something small or do I need to crack down much harder on him?
Advice needed for a worried mum :(

OP posts:
CakeandKindness · 06/07/2024 00:14

I just cannot stop thinking about this thread and so I used ChatGPT to provide information on the subject..I also asked it to include any information from Gabor Mate that might be relevant to the subject.

And here is the information it compiled which I hope might support some of my earlier thoughts and just encourage others to see sense on this. It makes for an interesting read anyway.

At around four years old, children are still in the early stages of developing emotional regulation and impulse control. It's common for children of this age to have difficulty managing their emotions and impulses, including the impulse to hit when frustrated. This behavior can be developmentally appropriate, though it requires guidance and support to help them learn more effective ways of handling their feelings.

Developmental Aspects

  1. *Emotional Regulation*:
- *Developmental Stage*: At four years old, children are beginning to understand and express a wider range of emotions, but their ability to regulate these emotions is still maturing. - *Challenges*: They often experience strong emotions and may not yet have the language or coping strategies to express them appropriately. Frustration, anger, and sadness can be overwhelming, leading to behaviors like hitting.
  1. *Impulse Control*:
- *Brain Development*: The prefrontal cortex, responsible for self-control and decision-making, is still developing. This means that children at this age are naturally more impulsive. - *Behavior*: Impulsive behaviors, such as hitting, can occur because children are acting on immediate emotions rather than considering consequences.

Managing Impulses and Emotions

  • *Modeling Behavior*: Children learn a lot from observing adults. Demonstrating calm and constructive ways to handle frustration can be very beneficial.
  • *Setting Limits*: Clear and consistent boundaries help children understand what behaviors are acceptable.
  • *Teaching Alternatives*: Show children alternative ways to express their emotions, such as using words, taking deep breaths, or using a "calm-down" space.
  • *Positive Reinforcement*: Praise and reward positive behavior to encourage more of it.

Gabor Maté's Perspective

Gabor Maté, a well-known physician and author, emphasizes the importance of understanding the root causes of behavior rather than just addressing the symptoms. His approach can be summarized as follows:

  1. *Attachment and Connection*:
- *Importance of Attachment*: Maté argues that strong emotional bonds between children and their caregivers are crucial for healthy development. When children feel securely attached, they are better able to manage their emotions. - *Behavior as Communication*: He suggests that problematic behaviors, such as hitting, are often a form of communication. Children might be expressing unmet needs or emotions they cannot articulate.
  1. *Environment and Stress*:
- *Impact of Environment*: According to Maté, a child’s environment significantly affects their emotional health. Stressful environments can exacerbate emotional and behavioral issues. - *Nurturing Environment*: Creating a nurturing and supportive environment can help children feel safe and reduce the frequency of impulsive behaviors.
  1. *Emotional Validation*:
- *Validation of Emotions*: Maté advocates for validating children’s emotions, helping them to feel understood and supported. This can reduce frustration and the impulse to act out. - *Empathy and Understanding*: Showing empathy and understanding towards a child's feelings can help them learn to manage their emotions more effectively.

Practical Applications

  • *Mindfulness and Calm Techniques*: Encourage practices like deep breathing, mindfulness, or guided relaxation to help children manage their emotions.
  • *Parental Support*: Parents and caregivers should seek to understand their own emotional responses and stressors, as these can impact their ability to support their children effectively.
  • *Therapeutic Support*: If a child's impulsive behaviors are severe or persistent, consulting with a child psychologist or therapist who can provide tailored strategies may be beneficial.

Overall, while hitting and other impulsive behaviors can be common at age four, addressing these behaviors with empathy, support, and appropriate strategies can help children learn better ways to regulate their emotions and impulses.

Runnerinthenight · 06/07/2024 00:17

ClairDeLaLune · 06/07/2024 00:13

A 4 year old on a play station? And you wonder why he has issues with regulating his emotions and with violent behaviour? Really OP? Can you really not see the connection?

What is your problem with it? My elder two had Gameboys and youngest was always plaguing them to play theirs, so when they were 4 they got their own. It's not rocket science to manage it.

Children engaged in violent behaviours long before there was tech!

thankyoujeremy · 06/07/2024 00:18

I wouldn't have asked this question on mn tbh - you are probably not going to hear the responses that you want to.

He's 4. He's still learning. He has form for struggling to regulate his emotions. In my view, it seems rather strong of the school to take the measures they did, and it just makes you feel shitty as a parent. It would be lovely if our children all behaved perfectly pleasantly and in control all of the time but unfortunately that's just not how kids are made.

Thankfully my son's school are aware of different sorts of children and they use phrases like 'he has been really dysregulated today' which helps you to feel validated as a parent and that your efforts are not in vain. It's very easy for parents to have very compliant children to cast stones about what is acceptable and what isn't. I learnt quite early on that having condescension when it comes to parenting can come back to bite you in the arse.

Keep going lovely, remember that "this too shall pass" and in time things will get easier. It helps if the school is on board but you just need to survive each day in my book ❤️

ISeriouslyDoubtIt · 06/07/2024 00:24

Eshmee · 05/07/2024 22:13

No, do explain. I dont see how whether he didn't know her name or simply forget has any relevance whatsoever. She was not a stranger. She is some that he knows at school. But there are 12 classes in the school and each has 2 TAs. That's 24 TAs and he's 4. Surely not expected to remember the name of every single one?

Why don't you teach him to say "excuse me, miss" if he can't remember her name and wants her attention. At 4 he's perfectly able to do that. Absolutely no need for him to grab her arm just because he wants immediate attention. He needs to learn some patience and that his wants may have to be delayed. The immediate gratification aspect of computer games doesn't help with that.

sofasofa42 · 06/07/2024 00:25

He is 4 . I assume this is uk and you are paying alot . You are actually paying for childcare professionals. They should give you the an

MumChp · 06/07/2024 00:26

Eshmee · 05/07/2024 19:02

Is a child grabbing an adults arm 'physical violence' these days? He only wanted to walk with her but didn't know her name and obviously did it a bit too hard. Is that violence?

Leaving a mark? Yes. It is.

caringcarer · 06/07/2024 00:43

He must have grabbed at TA's arm really hard to leave a red mark on an adult. School was keeping you informed. If he had grabbed at another child like this he might have really hurt them. You must tell him not to do it again because he's hurt the TA.

EliflurtleAndTheInfiniteMadness · 06/07/2024 00:44

Eshmee · 05/07/2024 19:14

I'd just like to clarify that he was NOT lashing out. He just wanted to ask her something and he didn't know her name so grabbed her arm. I'm not saying it's okay, just providing some context.

Then why do you keep excusing it and saying the school over reacted? The fix is quite simple here. Teach him to say something polite when he doesn't know names like, 'excuse me miss/mister'. Tell him squeezing is never ok. Say if he really needs to he can tap/touch a hand/arm to get the persons attention. Start talking to him about personal boundaries. I wouldn't see a child that age to squeeze someone that hard as normal no. I have 3 kids with SEN and have dealt with issues like this quite a bit. Unless DC was a lot older and something at school is really really wrong Id leave it up the school. They've dealt with it so your bit is talking to him and teaching the correct way to deal with it. You could get him to practice at home or ask the school if he can practice it with other teachers or TAs so he knows what to do next time.

GoldenDoorHandles · 06/07/2024 03:08

MrsAmaretto · 05/07/2024 23:53

4 year olds shouldn’t be on PlayStations.

Who gives a shit that he can read and write when he hits and kicks other kids and grabs at people enough to hurt them?

I don’t think 4 year olds should be in school (nor does most of Europe).

They are I'm education settings, nursery, but different from ours. And if they behave in this way it would still need bringing to light.

PomPomtheGreat · 06/07/2024 03:20

Eshmee · 05/07/2024 21:36

I have. I have an older while with ADHD so I have always been really hot on trying to spot any signs of ND. I have asked more than once and both teachers say they have no thoughts of any issues.

Teachers and TAs aren't always the ones with the training or expertise to spot ADHD, especially at such an early age.

It was the first thing that sprang to mind when I read your opening post. And it wasn't a surprise to hear his brother has it. There's a strong genetic component.

You are clearly not a bad parent in any way. But your son may benefit from an early diagnosis and a little additional help. In your shoes, I would forget about punishments and pursue that. I'm sure your son will be absolutely fine, but if he has ADHD, it's best to know early so you can help him with emotional regulation and give him the best chance to do well during his time at school.

Good luck.

BusterGonad · 06/07/2024 03:44

AmelieTaylor · 05/07/2024 20:22

@Eshmee

whst should you be doing?

logging off, having a drink, winding down for the weekend, not riding to the bait set by sanctimonious, twattish posters!!

he's 4, he grabbed her arm to get her attention. I would definitely NOT have punished him at home. I'd have explained he accidentally hurt her when grabbing her & that it's best not to try to get someone's attention like that, just call out 'excuse me' if you don't know her name.

the wet TA has caused all this fuss, if she'd just explained at the time that it hurt & please don't do it again & enquired as to what he wanted, it would have been over in a minute.

he grabbed her arm for attention, he didn't belt her because he was angry!!

This is what you should have done.
This tread is so depressing, the majority of posters with perfect little angels. Oh how I wish I was one of them without a child with SEN.
Maybe if the TA had done her job properly and addressed the issue at the time. She could've walked him in to assembly, or paired him with a buddy, or just acknowledged that the kid existed rather than walk off licking her wounds. Yes, she's probably on minimum wage, I've worked many jobs on minimum wage but I've still done a sterling job. The boy needs a bit more help than the other kids, the teacher and TA need to offer him this help instead of treating him like he's some kind of thug. They should be anticipating issues before they happen not expecting him to change over night. He's the child, they are the adults. Taking to him at the time would've been optimum.

BusterGonad · 06/07/2024 03:44

Oh and the mum shaming and snobbery over the PlayStation is beyond a joke.

BusterGonad · 06/07/2024 03:49

The mum shaming full stop is beyond a joke. So many smug parents on here.

emilyelf · 06/07/2024 04:49

Ruffpuff · 06/07/2024 00:00

I wouldn’t really bat an eyelid if a 4 year old child grabbed and pulled my arm. I do wonder if it was a bit more than that since it left a mark. I’d be surprised a small child could do so from simply trying to get their attention and pulling the arm.

Nevertheless, it’s not developmentally typical for 4 year olds to hit because they ‘can’t use their words’. Yes, a 2 year old, perhaps even at 3. That’s not to say that your child is doing so out of any kind of malice (only 4 after all!). Perhaps he needs some extra support or a look into any possible neural developmental causes.

To leave a mark could be simply because he might have had slightly longer or sharper nails. I've had ds friend hold my hand begging me if he could stay longer in the playground after school which left a little mark on my hand just a couple of weeks ago when the weather was good after school. Shame on the teacher though just ignoring the child walking the past. D:s's teacher said at the beginning of the year that they are like little ducklings and some might take longer to develop but they will all get there in their own time and they are there to help them.

BusterGonad · 06/07/2024 05:06

ISeriouslyDoubtIt · 06/07/2024 00:24

Why don't you teach him to say "excuse me, miss" if he can't remember her name and wants her attention. At 4 he's perfectly able to do that. Absolutely no need for him to grab her arm just because he wants immediate attention. He needs to learn some patience and that his wants may have to be delayed. The immediate gratification aspect of computer games doesn't help with that.

Edited

Not of he has SEN, my son is 15, he never asks for help. He doesn't know when he's going from zero to the point of no return. A professional should know this. I wish everyone would stop going on about the PlayStation, I'm sure he's not not playing GTA ffs.

BusterGonad · 06/07/2024 05:07

*if

MollyRover · 06/07/2024 06:29

OP it's not really just that he grabbed someone, it's that he grabbed someone hard enough to leave a mark (however big or small). That's not normal for a four year old, and shouldn't be minimized. The teacher will have seen far more four year olds than you so I would take their thoughts on board if I were you instead of dismissing them.

Supergirl1958 · 06/07/2024 08:56

sofasofa42 · 06/07/2024 00:25

He is 4 . I assume this is uk and you are paying alot . You are actually paying for childcare professionals. They should give you the an

not if it’s a state school reception class.

Supergirl1958 · 06/07/2024 10:06

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Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

May I remind you, you asked me to give the OP advice, which I told you I had. You called me out-wrongly- for something I had done! It’s not my fault that you refuse to RTFT!!!
Not ridiculous! 🙄🙄🙄🙄

Sherrystrull · 06/07/2024 12:01

Teachers don't report incidents for nothing. There's many incidents a day in my class I deal with and don't report to parents as they're so minor.

However, teachers and TAs do not have time to stop and chat to every child who wants to. We try our best but it's impossible especially with how tight our timetables are.

Decompressing2 · 06/07/2024 12:22

OP - I think you have reached out for support and are getting a hard time so have started a narrative of the hitting being ok and normal…when you yourself started of in your first post as explaining it as he does it instead of using his words so it’s a communication thing …. you are now saying it’s just a boy play fight thing - he gets as many as he gives. Please revisit your quotes to see what I mean.

“ sometimes when angry or upset will hit rather than use his words”

“ but if someone upsets him or antagonises him rather than tell the teacher he just reacts which will either usually be a whack on the arm or a kick.”

“he gives as many whacks as he takes”

“ Boys play fight. Always have. Always will. If that makes me a bad parent in your eyes then so be it. I hope your little snow flakes never get a kick in the playground FFS.”

I have both a boy and a girl - and my boy is a very sporty boy so was often whacked in the playground during games by a handful of boys who struggled with managing their emotions. My son went to a three form school where there were 50 boys in his year - and it was not all the boys who did the hitting and kicking - it was a just a handful.

Honestly, I think you are trying your best to curb his behaviour. I think though you might get less of a hard time if you accept while it does happen in this age group - it’s not regular 4 year old behaviour and it’s not ok. It’s very unlikely your son is only hitting and kicking the kids who have hit and kicked him first because there is not likely to be many of these.

two things I would recommend you do is a) get his ears checked for glue ear - it is very common in this age group and it’s also very common for the kids to get overwhelmed and hit out.

And b) if you can afford it take him to a cranial osteo as they can help calm his nerves.

I am sure he will grow out of it soon.

lemonmeringueno3 · 06/07/2024 12:25

I'm a teacher - hitting other children and hurting an adult is not normal. Don't minimise it. Work with them now or you really are storing up more trouble later down the line.

You keep saying he grabbed her to walk with her but that doesn't leave a red mark.

backspace · 06/07/2024 12:30

Eshmee · 05/07/2024 19:02

Is a child grabbing an adults arm 'physical violence' these days? He only wanted to walk with her but didn't know her name and obviously did it a bit too hard. Is that violence?

I wouldn’t call that physical violence, not at all. There was no anger, malice or intention to hurt. He wanted to get her attention and didn’t know how to do that because he didn’t know her name.

You can talk him about what to do in that situation in future and just let him know that he can accidentally hurt people if he grabs them. It sounds like he might be a little impulsive and some children do take a little longer to be able to control impulses.

roundtheworldx · 06/07/2024 12:35

4 years old is old enough to know not to 'grab' somebody. Hard enough to leave a mark, too! Come on.

wiggleweggle · 06/07/2024 12:37

lemonmeringueno3 · 06/07/2024 12:25

I'm a teacher - hitting other children and hurting an adult is not normal. Don't minimise it. Work with them now or you really are storing up more trouble later down the line.

You keep saying he grabbed her to walk with her but that doesn't leave a red mark.

Came on to say the exactly same thing.

Am also a teacher. And a mother.