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Jess Phillips

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uneffingbelievable · 05/07/2024 14:52

What a brave lady.

Whilst I am not an ardent Labour supporter, I completely support you and how you have stood up to the bullying, racism, violence and hatred sent your way.

Sad that your family could not be there to see your victory but under the circumstances you made the right choice.

That this country is allowing this type of intimidation and behaviour - we should be ashamed of ourselves.

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Livelovebehappy · 08/07/2024 18:54

Domino20 · 08/07/2024 17:32

I'm not sure why such a focus on change through empire building, there are far more recent examples of the British going overseas and failing spectacularly to integrate or behave within the parameters of local norms. Expecting immigrants to seamlessly integrate within the UK, while simultaneously thousands upon thousands of Brits are eating a full English in Benidorm, booze cruising in Kavos, buying up a couple of gites in France or a farm or two in Portugal. We don't have to go back centuries to find examples of the British expecting their way of life to be accommodated when abroad, it literally happens every day. The absolute arrogance of expecting visitors/immigrants to this country, to forgo their own beliefs and culture, when we don’t even come close to this as a standard of behaviour. Mind boggling.

And I think same re those British who move abroad and don’t integrate - they should integrate into the culture of the country they move too. Especially regarding the learning of the language. There’s no excuse that there are people who have lived here for several years or more who still can’t speak English, but then are so self entitled to demand translators. What the British do when they move to other countries are for that country to address. Likewise when it happens here, we need to address it.

Mainats · 08/07/2024 19:16

SerafinasGoose · 07/07/2024 10:28

And it's got markedly worse over the last decade or so. Any progress women and feminism thought we'd made has gone so far backward that it feels today as though the small steps made in the mid-late twentieth century never happened.

It's important to recognise that this is emanating from various ideologies, that the UK is already saturated in it, that incels/MRAs and the various other belief-systems they attach themselves to for credence are ten-a-penny and have been emboldened by the internet. Public sector language and practices reek of it. And one of the worst culprits of all is the media: across the board, that is, not necessarily the R/W media (although most of it is R/W), and so-called quality publications are just as guilty as mass-market ones who only couch it in more moderate language.

The demonstration at Jess Phillips's re-election was a wake-up call for me - as if any waking up were really needed - but only in terms of how entrenched hatred of women truly is across many, many facets of our society.

Yet misogyny still isn't a hate crime. Why?

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100% feel the same way.

Mainats · 08/07/2024 19:23

SharonEllis · 07/07/2024 16:22

Because the hard left like nothing more than to undermine the Labour Party.

These men are more far right than hard left.

Mainats · 08/07/2024 19:36

Domino20 · 08/07/2024 17:32

I'm not sure why such a focus on change through empire building, there are far more recent examples of the British going overseas and failing spectacularly to integrate or behave within the parameters of local norms. Expecting immigrants to seamlessly integrate within the UK, while simultaneously thousands upon thousands of Brits are eating a full English in Benidorm, booze cruising in Kavos, buying up a couple of gites in France or a farm or two in Portugal. We don't have to go back centuries to find examples of the British expecting their way of life to be accommodated when abroad, it literally happens every day. The absolute arrogance of expecting visitors/immigrants to this country, to forgo their own beliefs and culture, when we don’t even come close to this as a standard of behaviour. Mind boggling.

You realise it's possible to condemn both? Plus I think you're going to have a hard time coming up with examples of radicalised Brits deciding to cut people's heads off in France or intimidating Spanish girls on the street.

DramaLlamaBangBang · 08/07/2024 20:20

Mainats · 08/07/2024 19:23

These men are more far right than hard left.

Well exactly. So why are they being applauded and welcomed with open arms into the Workers Party and the Green Party, and why is Jeremy Corbyn standing shoulder to shoulder with them and calling them his ' comrades'? Hamas and Hezbollah are as far Right as they come. Don't believe in women's rights or rights for gay people, hate Jews, think they are a master race that should dominate the world, so just why are they the darlings of the Left? It's the horseshoe theory in action.

Domino20 · 08/07/2024 21:29

Ah fantastic news then, its totally OK to subvert the culture of other countries as long as it's not through violence. Honestly, for some brits there's no limit to the extent of their own moral superiority.

Livingtothefull · 08/07/2024 21:38

Domino20 · 08/07/2024 21:29

Ah fantastic news then, its totally OK to subvert the culture of other countries as long as it's not through violence. Honestly, for some brits there's no limit to the extent of their own moral superiority.

Nobody is claiming that subverting other countries' cultures is OK, and it would not be right to claim that British people are immune or that they have (historically or currently) intrinsic moral superiority. But subverting through violence is effectively terrorism and a whole different order of evil. I don't think whataboutery is helpful here at all.

cardibach · 08/07/2024 22:25

DramaLlamaBangBang · 08/07/2024 18:45

You have misunderstood my comment. Going on booze cruises and shputing at Portuguese waiters in loud English on the Algarve is poor behaviour but is in no way equivalent to subverting democracy. It was @domino20 who excused the behaviour of thosexat Jess Phillips' account by saying Brits abroad behave badly too.

ok. Apologies.
I don’t think that was her point though.

Champagnesocialismo · 08/07/2024 22:32

TwigletsAndRadishes · 08/07/2024 07:26

And I'm not sure people are suggesting that all Muslims are extremists. It's more that many Muslims don't seem to accept or understand that their feelings on the Gaza issue should not take priority over the business of serving the needs and wants of constituents at a local level in this country.

Regardless of how many, nobody sane would put the interests of another country above the one they actually lived in unless they had some serious antipathy. These men were awful, and not keen to see Gaza become a domestic issue. People may fell strongly. That does not mean they get to harass people or scare them. Well done Jess Philips.

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Misanthropic? No, very few.
Misandrist, maybe a few more.

CurlewKate · 09/07/2024 19:56

So disappointing when posts are deleted before you can reply to them!

BIWI · 09/07/2024 20:09

From memory you didn't miss much @CurlewKate!

CurlewKate · 10/07/2024 08:45

@BIWI 🤣

Thepottingshed · 10/07/2024 08:56

Also Jody McIntyre seems to have set himself up as an 'MP'- his twitter says he's the MP and that he's starting a 'constituency' office up to take 'casework' (which presumably he'll get zero traction with, not being an actual MP).

But that's creepy as fuck. What an awful man.

SerendipityJane · 10/07/2024 10:27

Thepottingshed · 10/07/2024 08:56

Also Jody McIntyre seems to have set himself up as an 'MP'- his twitter says he's the MP and that he's starting a 'constituency' office up to take 'casework' (which presumably he'll get zero traction with, not being an actual MP).

But that's creepy as fuck. What an awful man.

That's what Trump tried. He had letter heads printed and all.

Does Mr, McIntyre have a posse of similarly dressed/uniformed goons going around intimidating people ? That's the next step (reads manual) and then use of symbols to indicate membership (continues reading) which leads to public disorder where the fascist contender offers to "restore order" with their "associates".

Yes, I am a time traveller. But I come not from the future, but the past.

Prawncow · 10/07/2024 15:12

Thepottingshed · 10/07/2024 08:56

Also Jody McIntyre seems to have set himself up as an 'MP'- his twitter says he's the MP and that he's starting a 'constituency' office up to take 'casework' (which presumably he'll get zero traction with, not being an actual MP).

But that's creepy as fuck. What an awful man.

We can add delusional to the list of reasons he shouldn’t be allowed to stand for public office.

SerendipityJane · 10/07/2024 15:52

Prawncow · 10/07/2024 15:12

We can add delusional to the list of reasons he shouldn’t be allowed to stand for public office.

Maybe he could mobfund a film : "Passport to Yardley" ?

Champagnesocialismo · 10/07/2024 16:43

Livingtothefull · 08/07/2024 21:38

Nobody is claiming that subverting other countries' cultures is OK, and it would not be right to claim that British people are immune or that they have (historically or currently) intrinsic moral superiority. But subverting through violence is effectively terrorism and a whole different order of evil. I don't think whataboutery is helpful here at all.

It’s notable that one of the campaign team who unseated Jonathan Ashworth as part of the election has just been charged with a terrorism offence.

danniedorko · 11/07/2024 10:47

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Sharptonguedwoman · 11/07/2024 11:02

AllesAusLiebe · 05/07/2024 15:14

Not a Labour supporter, but I'd much rather she was parachuted in as a replacement for the awful Angela Rayner.

I think it's clear you aren't a Labour supporter.

Champagnesocialismo · 11/07/2024 12:11

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Well there you are. People need to have a lot more skepticism about motivation. I would always be careful about a religious group setting up politically or a group using religion as the basis of their politics. Very divisive

wtfissummer · 11/07/2024 12:29

@danniedorko 🤣

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