Jess Phillips

[uneffingbelievable]

What a brave lady.

Whilst I am not an ardent Labour supporter, I completely support you and how you have stood up to the bullying, racism, violence and hatred sent your way.

Sad that your family could not be there to see your victory but under the circumstances you made the right choice.

That this country is allowing this type of intimidation and behaviour - we should be ashamed of ourselves.

Except Muslim voters across the country in other constituencies, including other NW seats like Oldham & Manchester returned Labour MPs. The relationship is far from over. Labour is right not to bend towards extremists & not all Muslims are extremists.

It's absolutely disgraceful. However, It's interesting that having previously tried to refute or minimise any suggestion that there are areas of Birmingham being 'patrolled' by Muslims, making them 'no go' areas (for whom, exactly? Not your average white bloke, I imagine) by imposing their own social and moral values onto the rest of us, I find it quite telling that she said 'I understand why a strong independent woman standing up to you is met with such reticence.'

She spoke in the spur of the moment, but she didn't choose those words by accident. There is a definite subtext there and you don't need to be Einstein to work out what it is. If those words had been spoken by a Reform female candidate she'd have been accused of Racism, Islamophobia, fear-mongering and lazy sterotyping.

It's easy to say this isn't an Islam thing, it's just a man thing. Except that I don't see any non-Muslim men in that crowd and I doubt many of the people trying to derail her campaign using fear and intimidation were non-Muslims either.

This is what passes for perfectly normal political campaigning in other parts of the world and it's something we are very sadly going to have to get used to here. It's only going to get worse, not better.

I haven’t read all of the thread yet but I did see the clip of Jess Philips being heckled and it was shocking. I think they were chanting “Shame on you” and yet she was one of the few politicians who resigned from the shadow cabinet very early on . I have very much been a supporter of the underdog Palestinians for years but these people are doing the cause no favours and will give ammunition to the right wingers. I saw a small clip from Talk tv on you tube they were talking about the Muslim Brotherhood. Quite chilling.

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The subtext is men intimidating women.

There was another clip of one if the new independents in Blackburn talking about 'fighting to the death'. This is not acceptable rhetoric. There are politically motivated islaMISTS involved and they need to be isolated, like any other extremists in our system.

Expect more of this

And it's got markedly worse over the last decade or so. Any progress women and feminism thought we'd made has gone so far backward that it feels today as though the small steps made in the mid-late twentieth century never happened.

It's important to recognise that this is emanating from various ideologies, that the UK is already saturated in it, that incels/MRAs and the various other belief-systems they attach themselves to for credence are ten-a-penny and have been emboldened by the internet. Public sector language and practices reek of it. And one of the worst culprits of all is the media: across the board, that is, not necessarily the R/W media (although most of it is R/W), and so-called quality publications are just as guilty as mass-market ones who only couch it in more moderate language.

The demonstration at Jess Phillips's re-election was a wake-up call for me - as if any waking up were really needed - but only in terms of how entrenched hatred of women truly is across many, many facets of our society.

Yet misogyny still isn't a hate crime. Why?

In that case, you'll be able to find me plenty of video evidence of female candidates being booed and heckled during their speeches by groups of non-Muslim men as the results were announced, won't you? And stories of threats and intimidation during campaigning.

As it is, the only two that have made the news are Jess Phillips and Nigel Farage, who has had missiles thrown at him, needs protection heavies wherever he goes, and was heckled and called a Racist by a group that included both men and women. Which is funny, because far fewer people seem to be very exercised about that. Both sets of hecklers believe they hold the moral high ground and are acting with their conscience on a set of specific issues, yet we seem to be outraged by one group while merely shrugging at the other - or worse, cheering them on.

Many feminists are strongly against misogyny being made a hate crime, not least for the practical reason that the police would be utterly incapable of policing it. I would rather they focussed on vawg & sorting out the effectve decrim of rape. x.com/bindelj/status/1494671340565147648?lang=en

@User135644 classic case of somebody spouting nonsense without knowing any facts!

The problem is that Labour being very accepting of other cultures and beliefs (as is right, but there should be some integration) which has been seen as a sign of weakness by some cultures, who then take the opportunity to shout down the values we have in the UK, and try and impose theirs. This is where Labour have to make a stand and draw the line to confirm that we will not tolerate the demonisation of women. There is no place for this in our society. Maybe also for education of women in their culture, they are equals in our society, and to not accept being treated as second class citizens. The heckling was based on Jess being a woman, and their lack of respect for her.

@MauveCrow you do know that Jess Philips voted for a Ceasefire in Gaza!

These men are extremist, misogynistic bullies. Just because they chanted 'Free Palestine' does not automatically make them good people. They hide behind this 'cause' for their own agenda.

Your reply I assume, to me, was deleted.

So I don't know how you replied to my posts, if indeed you did at all.

You need to understand one thing - your MP Is not there to get involved with wars around the world, she is there to ensure the local problems and issues are solved as far as possible and represent your local needs in the houses of parliament. If you have an issue with your local hospital etc you can turn to her as a last resort.

Your MP is NOT there to represent your global views.
So why do you continue to post on here about genocide etc when it has nothing at all to do with Jess Phillips.

You might be angry about the issues in Gaza, it might make you very sad, but Jess Phillips should NOT be getting involved, and nor should you be expecting her to.

The issues between Gaza and Israel are for Gaza and Israel to sort out, they need to come to working agreement. I don't think anyone in the world wants to see this situation continue.

And as for the men abusing Jess Phillips, they should be rounded up and charged by the police with harassment and threatening behaviour, and warnings given about their future conduct.

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More people need to get on board with this

No, it's a lot narrower than that.

Keep feeding the crocodile, folks.

Well, one good reason for it would be precisely the situation encountered by these two female Labour candidates during the election campaign.

I do completely agree with you about the priorities, though (one of these issues need not necessarily preclude the other). Rape is de-facto legal. As for VAWG, this may well be owing in no small part to these kinds of attitudes, which are likely fuelling it in the first place. The sort of rhetoric being spewed by incels, for example, was for only a very brief period the kind of language deemed completely unacceptable and antediluvian; either that or it would see them mocked for being dinosaurs. The quick backtracking from this position shows how little progress really was made.

These days there not only seems to be absolutely no punitive recourse, but in fact censure and abuse of women who dare to speak of their experiences of violence at the hands of men. Cf. the distressing but depressingly predictable backlash against #MeToo. Karen Ingala Smith, the woman who maintains #CountingDeadWomen, has received abuse and death threats.

What we are in clear agreement with here is that something desperately needs to change. That might be a discussion for another thread.

I wonder if Rosie Duffield would say the same. She wasn't even able to go on the hustings because of threats.

Has Jess Phillips, at any stage over the last, say, two years, shown any support to Rosie or come to her defence - let alone during this current election? Any support at all?

I didn't think so. I feel zero sympathy for her. She abandoned the sisterhood, and wouldn't support Rosie in time of Rosie's great need. She can't expect sympathy from the sisterhood now, when she gave zero yourself. You need to give, to get.

I think this is an interesting and to a large extent valid point. I've often pointed out that the 'pick me' dance, if you care to call it that, won't save any woman from the vociferous abuse, silencing and hatred emanating from The Patriarchy. It doesn't give a shit whether you do its work for it, supporting men whilst throwing other women under the bus: sooner or later, if you're female, it will come for you.

I'm aware of Phillips' strengths in her advocacy for women, and her weaknesses and lack of it in other areas.

I still don't believe she deserved what she was on the receiving end of the other night.

One thing Jess Phillips does is raise a lot of awarenesss for victims of domestic abuse!

I agree with you actually. While I deplore what has happened to Jess and her campaigners, I can't see Jess bothering to leap to the defence of any politicians on the 'wrong' side of her, in similar situations. If she couldn't find enough reason to support Rosie Duffield then she'd certainly see any Tory and Reform candidate as totally fair game for any amount of heckling and abuse, I am guessing. She'd no doubt justify it as people just standing up for what's right.

She's no stranger to spouting very unpleasant invective herself, let's be honest. Now she knows how it feels to be on the wrong end of the crowd it's shaken her.

Politics has become a cage fighting ring in a cesspit, where screeeching, intimidation and shit flinging seems to have replaced actual debate. It's thoroughly undignified and depressing and it's beneath all of us.

However, It's interesting that having previously tried to refute or minimise any suggestion that there are areas of Birmingham being 'patrolled' by Muslims, making them 'no go' areas (for whom, exactly? Not your average white bloke

As an old die hard feminist I can assure you that there are loads of problems that simply don't exist unless average white blokes experience them. That's just society in general.

For those saying that it is not an MP’s role to get involved in overseas wars why did Keir Starmer give the green light to Israel to defend itself and why are we giving billions to support the Ukraine war? All very well if we are neutral but we seem to take sides. David Lammy is an MP and he will very much be deciding these agendas. I hope he takes other views into consideration.

I think this is really difficult. Jess Phillips has let Rosie down, as have many others. No doubt about it. This does not mean she or her family & team deserve what has happened to them over the last few weeks. Jess was prepared to stick her neck out over Corbyn and she was a visible supporter of Luciana Berger. But she's not perfect. One of the problems with this situation is that we expect more of women than we do of men but everyone is screaming at them that they want them to fit their ideal version of a feminist.I'm quite sure Rosie was pleased Jess won her seat because she's Labour. I feel we are moving in the right direction on womens rights and if we want to actually defeat this insidious ideology and make sure womens rights are protected it can only be built on a foundation of finding common ground. Im not suggestimg forgive & forget - we are all human. But we have to move forward.