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14 years, Highest taxes in 70 years, Brexit, ‘F**k business’, Mini-budget, poverty increase, Covid lockdown parties, Doctors strikes, National Service, Rwanda, Culture Wars etc

145 replies

Whenwillitgetwarm · 04/07/2024 07:19

Please let today be Independence Day from the Tory regime.

Never forget.

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JacquesHarlow · 04/07/2024 07:37

I 100% agree with this post @Whenwillitgetwarm

However... you are going to get flamed on here.

The "Labour don't know what a woman is" cabal on here are very vocal. I really do believe many of them are the 'shy Tories' we hear about in the media, and see Toryism as reflective of their economic and personal status.

LlynTegid · 04/07/2024 07:38

I won't forget. I have voted this morning.

Livelovebehappy · 04/07/2024 07:42

I want them out too but wont vote for Labour. A lot round here voting independents. Labour will get in - let's give them the chance to deliver, and then we can judge. Prepared to give them four years.

DontBiteTheCat · 04/07/2024 07:44

I won’t forget. I was at the polling station at 7am this morning.

They voted to cut taxes on champagne the same day they voted to cut funding to rebuild school.

Rape convictions in 2022 stood at 459 out of 70,633 reported cases. More children than ever are living in poverty, the average kid won’t be able to afford to go to University (but they can do national service instead!), mental health services, domestic abuse services, sure start centres have disappeared and yet people claim the Tory’s give a shit about women’s rights?! They know how to parrot the definition of a woman but they do not give a single fuck about any of us.

I will not forget.

Maddy70 · 04/07/2024 07:45

My vote for labour is done

4thJuly2024 · 04/07/2024 07:45

Independence Day

Never Forget

🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

if you think Labour are the answer, you don't understand the question.

Ginisatonic · 04/07/2024 07:47

4thJuly2024 · 04/07/2024 07:45

Independence Day

Never Forget

🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

if you think Labour are the answer, you don't understand the question.

Please do tell us what the answer is.

Sondheimisademigod · 04/07/2024 07:48

Whenwillitgetwarm · 04/07/2024 07:19

Please let today be Independence Day from the Tory regime.

Never forget.

Why in aibu?

MrsSkylerWhite · 04/07/2024 07:49

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if you think Labour are the answer, you don't understand the question.

Where did you find that one, Soundbites for Dummies?

QueenofHebdenBridge · 04/07/2024 07:55

@Whenwillitgetwarm - there's only one question today and that is "who do you trust to run the country for the next 4-5 years?"

Please do share your deeper understanding of that question with us.

GalacticTowelMaster · 04/07/2024 07:59

JacquesHarlow · 04/07/2024 07:37

I 100% agree with this post @Whenwillitgetwarm

However... you are going to get flamed on here.

The "Labour don't know what a woman is" cabal on here are very vocal. I really do believe many of them are the 'shy Tories' we hear about in the media, and see Toryism as reflective of their economic and personal status.

I am not a shy tory, I have never voted tory in my life. Voted green, lib dem and Labour (corbyn) so I am a total lefty. This is the point, there are an awful lot of female 'lefties' on here who don't have anyone to vote for due to the very real issue we have of erosion of women's rights.

PlantDoctor · 04/07/2024 08:00

Voted them out! Fingers crossed. When I think back over the Tory government I feel so angry

Beezknees · 04/07/2024 08:01

YANBU. Off to vote Labour later after work. Always have done though.

AlisonDonut · 04/07/2024 08:13

4thJuly2024 · 04/07/2024 07:45

Independence Day

Never Forget

🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

if you think Labour are the answer, you don't understand the question.

Unfortunately people still think the Labour Party are left wing.

People have heard whatever they want, because Labour have offered a solution to everything by having policies that actually do nothing.

I cut my Labour Party card up in 2019. I would never vote for them again. Ever. They are run by activists not by the elected ministers.

Catza · 04/07/2024 08:23

GalacticTowelMaster · 04/07/2024 07:59

I am not a shy tory, I have never voted tory in my life. Voted green, lib dem and Labour (corbyn) so I am a total lefty. This is the point, there are an awful lot of female 'lefties' on here who don't have anyone to vote for due to the very real issue we have of erosion of women's rights.

This is such a red herring though. Less than 0.1% of population identifies as transgender woman. How this absolute minority can impact on your day to day life is absolutely beyond me. The likelihood of you coming across a transgender female in a “female space” is virtually 0. Yet, over the last 14 years Tories decimated woman’s rights left right and centre as women are disproportionally affected by poverty, changes to benefits system, gender pay gap, waning access to healthcare… But it’s not a sexy to-our to talk about, is it? Let’s all pile in onto hypothetical “other” threatening our rights.

catgirl1976 · 04/07/2024 08:27

I won’t be voting Labour because they don’t know what a woman is. But I am not a “shy Tory” and will be delighted to see them gone. I will be voting independent as our local candidate is brilliant and also as a sexual health nurse knows exactly what a woman is and doesn’t think men should be allowed to self identify into women’s spaces. She’s also great on local issues.

KimberleyClark · 04/07/2024 08:32

I won’t forget.

AlisonDonut · 04/07/2024 08:33

Catza · 04/07/2024 08:23

This is such a red herring though. Less than 0.1% of population identifies as transgender woman. How this absolute minority can impact on your day to day life is absolutely beyond me. The likelihood of you coming across a transgender female in a “female space” is virtually 0. Yet, over the last 14 years Tories decimated woman’s rights left right and centre as women are disproportionally affected by poverty, changes to benefits system, gender pay gap, waning access to healthcare… But it’s not a sexy to-our to talk about, is it? Let’s all pile in onto hypothetical “other” threatening our rights.

It impacts all women and girls even if you yourself don't understand how.

Men being allowed to call themselves women breaks the fundamental basics of human existence. It affects us all. Women as a seperate entity don't exist in law any more.

And activists who were involved in the Paedophile Information Exchange are being lined up to be in charge of the The Equalities and Human Rights Commission when Labour win.

Honestly, they cannot make themselves clearer the contempt they have for bog standard women and girls in schools, hospitals, toilets. Let alone vulnerable ones in rape crisis shelters or god forbid, prisons.

Catza · 04/07/2024 08:38

AlisonDonut · 04/07/2024 08:33

It impacts all women and girls even if you yourself don't understand how.

Men being allowed to call themselves women breaks the fundamental basics of human existence. It affects us all. Women as a seperate entity don't exist in law any more.

And activists who were involved in the Paedophile Information Exchange are being lined up to be in charge of the The Equalities and Human Rights Commission when Labour win.

Honestly, they cannot make themselves clearer the contempt they have for bog standard women and girls in schools, hospitals, toilets. Let alone vulnerable ones in rape crisis shelters or god forbid, prisons.

Perhaps I don’t understand how and, unfortunately, you haven’t been able to explain it either.
I also note that you have no concerns about women calling themselves men.

Hummingbird75 · 04/07/2024 08:39

Never forget that the left always crash the economy?
Never forget that we have penises apparently?
Never forget the day you used to earn money and keep some of it without the labour government taking most of it?
Never forget how shit labour are?

I am not sure we have forgotten the last time they crashed the economy, many of us are still paying the price.

Gorgonemilezola · 04/07/2024 08:41

'This is such a red herring though. Less than 0.1% of population identifies as transgender woman. How this absolute minority can impact on your day to day life is absolutely beyond me. The likelihood of you coming across a transgender female in a “female space” is virtually 0'

Must just be my dumb luck to have come across men dressed as women in a 'female space' twice in the last 3-4 weeks. Now, I strongly believe that the 2 chancers I ran into were no more genuinely 'trans' than I am, but we're not allowed to say that, and under a Labour govt, we'll not be allowed to say it but with more consequences.

I will be voting Labour because they're the only party locally who will beat the Tories but if there's any nonsense about 'female spaces' being open to blokes in dresses I'll be kicking up the most extraordinary stink.

AlisonDonut · 04/07/2024 08:42

Catza · 04/07/2024 08:38

Perhaps I don’t understand how and, unfortunately, you haven’t been able to explain it either.
I also note that you have no concerns about women calling themselves men.

I have concerns for the women. Because they are women.

ETA: To be fair if you don't see how putting men into prisons with women is a concern then you are probably way beyond help.

Beezknees · 04/07/2024 08:43

Hummingbird75 · 04/07/2024 08:39

Never forget that the left always crash the economy?
Never forget that we have penises apparently?
Never forget the day you used to earn money and keep some of it without the labour government taking most of it?
Never forget how shit labour are?

I am not sure we have forgotten the last time they crashed the economy, many of us are still paying the price.

And what have the Conservatives done to help over the past 15 years?

Churchview · 04/07/2024 08:47

Hummingbird75 · 04/07/2024 08:39

Never forget that the left always crash the economy?
Never forget that we have penises apparently?
Never forget the day you used to earn money and keep some of it without the labour government taking most of it?
Never forget how shit labour are?

I am not sure we have forgotten the last time they crashed the economy, many of us are still paying the price.

Oh dear. The economy crashed because of the market in the USA.
But you know that don't you.

Never forget how good Labour are.

Between 1997 and 2010 Labour was continuously in government. Here are Labour’s top 50 achievements during those years.

Longest period of sustained low inflation since the 60s.
Low mortgage rates.
Introduced the National Minimum Wage and raised it to £5.52.
Over 14,000 more police in England and Wales.
Cut overall crime by 32 per cent.
Record levels of literacy and numeracy in schools.
Young people achieving some of the best ever results at 14, 16, and 18.
Funding for every pupil in England has doubled.
Employment is at its highest level ever.
Written off up to 100 per cent of debt owed by poorest countries.
85,000 more nurses.
32,000 more doctors.
Brought back matrons to hospital wards.
Devolved power to the Scottish Parliament.
Devolved power to the Welsh Assembly.
Dads now get paternity leave of 2 weeks for the first time.
NHS Direct offering free convenient patient advice.
Gift aid was worth £828 million to charities last year.
Restored city-wide government to London.
Record number of students in higher education.
Child benefit up 26 per cent since 1997.
Delivered 2,200 Sure Start Children’s Centres.
Introduced the Equality and Human Rights Commission.
£200 winter fuel payment to pensioners & up to £300 for over-80s.
On course to exceed our Kyoto target for reducing greenhouse gas emissions.
Restored devolved government to Northern Ireland.
Over 36,000 more teachers in England and 274,000 more support staff and teaching assistants.
All full time workers now have a right to 24 days paid holiday.
A million pensioners lifted out of poverty.
600,000 children lifted out of relative poverty.
Introduced child tax credit giving more money to parents.
Scrapped Section 28 and introduced Civil Partnerships.
Brought over 1 million social homes up to standard.
Inpatient waiting lists down by over half a million since 1997.
Banned fox hunting.
Cleanest rivers, beaches, drinking water and air since before the industrial revolution.
Free TV licences for over-75s.
Banned fur farming and the testing of cosmetics on animals.
Free breast cancer screening for all women aged between 50-70.
Free off peak local bus travel for over-60s.
New Deal – helped over 1.8 million people into work.
Over 3 million child trust funds have been started.
Free eye test for over 60s.
More than doubled the number of apprenticeships.
Free entry to national museums and galleries.
Overseas aid budget more than doubled.
Heart disease deaths down by 150,000 and cancer deaths down by 50,000.
Cut long-term youth unemployment by 75 per cent.
Free nursery places for every three and four-year-olds.
Free fruit for most four to six-year-olds at school.

Whenwillitgetwarm · 04/07/2024 08:49

QueenofHebdenBridge · 04/07/2024 07:55

@Whenwillitgetwarm - there's only one question today and that is "who do you trust to run the country for the next 4-5 years?"

Please do share your deeper understanding of that question with us.

Condescending much?

I will be voting Labour. I’m comfortably off with a DC in private (another in state) but the country won’t survive another 5 years of the current version of these ghouls masquerading as Tory’s. They are not traditional Tory’s, they are disaster capitalist asset strippers who’ve been given the keys to the vault. They don’t care about this country, only how much they can take from it whilst wrapped in the flag to confuse voters.

I’m nowhere near as enthusiastic about current Labour as I was about Blair’s Labour in 1997, but at least Starmer appears to actually care about our country and the British people. I’m also being realistic in that I think although we will see some relatively minor short term improvements, it may take a while for transformational change. We’re in such bad shape at the moment.

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