14 years, Highest taxes in 70 years, Brexit, ‘F**k business’, Mini-budget, poverty increase, Covid lockdown parties, Doctors strikes, National Service, Rwanda, Culture Wars etc

[Whenwillitgetwarm]

Please let today be Independence Day from the Tory regime.

Never forget.

So it is OK, in your opinion, to subject transgender female to the same treatment when they are in a vulnerable position themselves?
I will say it again. The point is not to establish who has more rights at the expense of the other. The point is to create a system under which everyone can have equitable access to everything they need to live with dignity.

I am bored now. Read the Labour manifesto yourself.

Bored when asked to back up your assertions with facts? Never!

It’s not in the manifesto though, is it?

You’ve just linked a newspaper article (Torygraph) which reads “all the ways Labour COULD tax you” in another thread.

And we’re uneducated?

Net zero

A transgender female is a man.

There is nothing wrong with making them use the correct facilities for their sex.

I have. They won’t be taxing my bedroom or garden.
If you can’t back up your frankly ludicrous claims you need to bow out gracefully.

So you would be happy for my transgender friend to use female toilets and share a changing room with you even though he has mastectomy, genital reconstruction, facial and chest hair and deep voice. I’d love to see that happening.

I'm voting Labour even though I'm very disappointed by Keir Starmer saying no re-entry to EU or customs union in his lifetime, DH and I were hoping for something to help trade, we run a small niche manufacturing business which was growing nicely thanks to sales in Europe, it has now stopped growing and our retirement plans are greatly diminished.
I'll vote Labour this time but switch to Lib Dems next time if this does not change.

100 percent agree! Get the Tories out!

Are you saying access to single sex spaces should be based on superficial appearance, and that gender non conforming people should not be allowed to use the services and spaces for their own sex?

No, I’m asking the PP if her convictions apply across all scenarios or just the select few where she can clearly identify what the person’s bilogical sex is. Do you often insert yourself into a conversation without offering much in a way of value to the debate?
Please feel free to answer my previous question. I have a few follow up points I will be happy to explore together.

IF you are voting Labour are you ready for Angela Rayner to be PM?
With her hard left militants, because that is what is coming.

Yes 😊

Back again. Who are the current hard left militants in the Labour party?

80% of the party. Dark horses keeping quiet. Waiting for their moment. Do you suppose all the hard left just evaporated? Just like that! In a puff of smoke. Nope they are still all there, quiet as mice right now.

Thought as much.

The dictionary definition of swivel eyed.

Reds under the bed.

You mentioned your friend's appearance so it was reasonable to conclude that you think appearance should be the key factor in access to spaces (which would actually exclude the majority of trans people who do not pass).

I think sex should be the determining factor in who can access single sex spaces.

Someone needs to get back into bed.

Good grief. 🤣
You didn’t get anywhere with your taxing bedrooms and gardens argument so you’re back with more nonsense.

So true

This sums it up for me.

I didnt forget OP. I hand delivered my postal vote to my local authority as it was late.

I have grave reservations about Labour's position regarding transwomen but at the end of the day this Government terrifies me and they absolutely cannot be allowed to continue. The tories have utterly destroyed our country. The fightback by begins today.

I suspected that it was the PP’s view which is why I posed a question whether she would personally accept this person sharing the space with her without question. Which, I assume, she wouldn’t since we haven’t heard back. Hence, my opinion about the debate is confirmed - those set in their way of thinking are not able to see a logical fallacy of their own argument.
Now to the question of sex, would you require to see some kind of documentation when allowing someone who looks like a male into a female space so that they can prove they are biologically female. Or would you take their word for it?