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General Election Polling - completely off

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Rusty101 · 03/07/2024 02:45

Just been looking at the polling for mine and 2 neighbouring seats and I really do think it is way off the mark. I know the demographic pretty well and the prediction of Labour wiping out these conservative seats doesn’t really seem likely. It’s the shy Tory syndrome where people don’t want to admit that they will be voting for them. Anyone else feel the same when looking at the polling in their area?

www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/newseatlookup.html

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Eastie77Returns · 03/07/2024 07:31

EatMoreFibre · 03/07/2024 07:13

This thread is great. It will motivate so many to go out and vote Labour tomorrow. Keep it coming!

100%

I hope complacent people read threads like this, get their arses into gear and go out to vote.

The super majority line has been spun to ensure people who naturally support Labour but are disinclined to vote definitely won’t tomorrow because they think “they’ll win anyway”.

We need more people like the OP to drum home the message that prediction polls can and often are wrong😬

MelainesLaugh · 03/07/2024 07:32

That link says labour is going to have a vast majority in my area. Ok but Lib Dem’s have ruled it for as long as I can remember!

Janehasamane · 03/07/2024 07:32

HelenaWaiting · 03/07/2024 07:27

They usually aren't. Do you have any evidence to back up this ludicrous claim?

Why so rude? I understand you maybe desperate but it’s no excuse.

a simple google shows multiple analysis on why polls are often inaccurate. Because they are simply a snap shot in time and people change their mind.

and unless you’re a child or have memory issues, you will remember that the polls predicted a corbyn win, or that Boris would not have such a landslide.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/apr/05/how-accurate-are-mrp-polls-predicting-huge-tory-losses-in-next-general-election

AthenaBasil · 03/07/2024 07:36

I think a lot of previous tory voters are now shy reform voters or they’re just not going to vote at all which will both help labour win.

iamtheblcksheep · 03/07/2024 07:38

SnakesAndArrows · 03/07/2024 07:26

What’s your constituency?

One of the Suffolk seats. It’s the same across all of Anglia. Labour have no chance but keep peddling that propaganda wheel that there’s going to be a conservative wipeout. It’s keeping me greatly entertained.

SocoBateVira · 03/07/2024 07:41

The Tories also got a temporary bump in 2017 and 2019 from voters who were pro Brexit, not pro Brexit but wanted it done quickly not dragged out and people who didn't like Corbyn. Hence the increase from 36% in 2015 to 43% in 2017, which was actually the highest Tory vote share for ages. Those votes were essentially borrowed, and now none of those factors apply any more, the Tories lose a lot of them.

OrwellianTimes · 03/07/2024 07:42

Looking briefly at that map, 3 immediate local areas are predicted to turn from blue to red.

thecatsthecats · 03/07/2024 07:46

I think this thread is only valid if a) you post your constituency and b) you come back on Friday.

Superhansrantowindsor · 03/07/2024 07:47

I think that people are more likely shy reform voters round my way sadly. Either way it’s a Labour landslide on Friday. Can’t say I’m happy about that at all. But I wouldn’t be happy if the tories won either. Lib Dem’s a joke and reform are terrifying in their stupidity and racism. I can’t bring myself to vote for any of them.

Spendonsend · 03/07/2024 07:48

My area is predicting a lib dem win. I actually think this won't happen.

The tory MP is popular locally. The main risk to the tory is the tory vote splitting between conservative and reform, rather than the lib dem guy being great. I think a lot of people are saying they will vote reform but when it comes down to it, they will remember they like the MP and would rather him than the lib dem.

SabrinaThwaite · 03/07/2024 07:49

iamtheblcksheep · 03/07/2024 07:38

One of the Suffolk seats. It’s the same across all of Anglia. Labour have no chance but keep peddling that propaganda wheel that there’s going to be a conservative wipeout. It’s keeping me greatly entertained.

The final Survation MRP shows East Anglia looking quite red.

Friday will indeed be interesting.

General Election Polling - completely off
LoopRoo · 03/07/2024 07:51

I don’t know anyone who is voting Conservative or Labour. The air feels very similar to 2016, when everyone in private said they were voting to leave but didn’t dare say it in public.

DirectionToPerfection · 03/07/2024 07:54

Janehasamane · 03/07/2024 07:32

Why so rude? I understand you maybe desperate but it’s no excuse.

a simple google shows multiple analysis on why polls are often inaccurate. Because they are simply a snap shot in time and people change their mind.

and unless you’re a child or have memory issues, you will remember that the polls predicted a corbyn win, or that Boris would not have such a landslide.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/apr/05/how-accurate-are-mrp-polls-predicting-huge-tory-losses-in-next-general-election

Polls predicted a Corbyn win? You're going to have to back that one up.

RufustheFactualReindeer · 03/07/2024 07:55

Isitsixoclockalready · 03/07/2024 04:49

The Tories are the only ones that have been going on about a 'supermajority' which is an Americanism anyway. It's pathetic really - a large majority only matters if it negatively affects the Tories. They wouldn't be complaining if they were on course for a large majority.

Absolutely

i think they will get a majority but i don’t think it will be a complete wipeout, i hope there is a good opposition whoever it is as i think its important to have a strong opposition

looking forward to watching it all pan out 😀 bit pissed off that i can’t devote myself to watching the fallout as i have ds1 wedding prep to do

ThatSnugLimePlayer · 03/07/2024 07:57

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BogRollBOGOF · 03/07/2024 07:59

That website is predicting the first ever, and a major swing to Labour for one of the safest Conservative seats in the country.

It's also predicting a swing of tens of thousands of votes in my safe seat.

I'm not buying it.

I'd expect blue gains in 2019 to go back red. I'd expect a lot of marginal seats to turn red. I'd exepct a red majority as the overall outcome.

The Conservatives are clearly going to lose votes, but they're going to split and Reform is a disruptor to vote share and will cost Labour too. This is not 1997. We haven't had years of a fresh, visionary approach. Starmer has opposed, but not exactly lead. He's still holding cards close to his chest about actual hows. The party has long been distracted by side issues and that undermines confidence in their ability to address major issues that affect quality of life.

Polls again and again ignore the impact of quietly conservative voters (small C used deliberately) despite the upset that caused in 2016.

Poor polling does matter, especially where there is a lot of dissatisfaction. It can sway tactical or big picture voters rather than tribal voters. A GE is multilayered- it's voting for a local representative to respresent you nationally. Sometimes good candidates don't match your feelings about their party leadership.

Majority size does matter for the leading party's ability to implement their policies without compromise, as seen in 2010 and 2017. Small majorities and minority governnent causes political inertia as changes of legislation are hard to bring through.

Hummingbird75 · 03/07/2024 08:00

Something has felt very off from the beginning of this election. I don't buy it either op, and haven't for some time.

BloodyHellKenAgain · 03/07/2024 08:01

I feel the same OP.
Electoral Calculus predict an over 90% chance of Labour winning here but it's a seat that has been Tory with a large majority for about 100 years. Even Tony Blair didn't win here in 97.
Of course I could be wrong and it will go red, but it just seems unlikely IMO.
Not long to wait to find out though !!!

GCAcademic · 03/07/2024 08:04

There is no way that website is correct for my constitutency. There has never been a Labour MP here (and it's been Tory since 1922, previously there was the occasional Liberal MP). Now they're predicted a massive majority. There has been a boundary change, but still . . . the surrounding area is not much different in demographics.

RedRobyn2021 · 03/07/2024 08:04

I thought the same tbh, I guess we'll see won't we

SocoBateVira · 03/07/2024 08:05

DirectionToPerfection · 03/07/2024 07:54

Polls predicted a Corbyn win? You're going to have to back that one up.

I wonder if there's some confusion between polls in earlier 2019 and late 2019 in the run up to the GE? Labour were ahead in the polls earlier in the year.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2019_United_Kingdom_general_election

That changed in July 2019, and in the run up to the GE the Tories were clearly ahead.

Opinion polling for the 2019 United Kingdom general election - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2019_United_Kingdom_general_election

Triestre · 03/07/2024 08:08

I find Labour voters in this forum the most ridiculous people ever. Any discussion it is met with Tories HQ are working early bla, bla, bla. Just to shut up opinion. It was the same in the 2020 elections in the US. No one wanted to listen about Biden health issues and was accused of MAGA and smears. See how that went on.
I am voting Tory without any expectation they would win many seats. However, it would make me feel better every time in the near future.

RufustheFactualReindeer · 03/07/2024 08:09

thecatsthecats · 03/07/2024 07:46

I think this thread is only valid if a) you post your constituency and b) you come back on Friday.

i don’t think its supposed to turn red but Gosport is my constituency

WhatWouldJeevesDo · 03/07/2024 08:10

You’re right. We actually need to vote to get this gang out.

Hummingbird75 · 03/07/2024 08:11

Triestre · 03/07/2024 08:08

I find Labour voters in this forum the most ridiculous people ever. Any discussion it is met with Tories HQ are working early bla, bla, bla. Just to shut up opinion. It was the same in the 2020 elections in the US. No one wanted to listen about Biden health issues and was accused of MAGA and smears. See how that went on.
I am voting Tory without any expectation they would win many seats. However, it would make me feel better every time in the near future.

Yes anyone that does not want to flatten the country with socialism is called a bot immediately. I would be a millionaire now if I had a pound for every time someone had called me one. I have been on MN on and off for 15 years!