Don't vote reform

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Obviously I can't tell you who to vote for but then there is this:

news.sky.com/story/second-reform-candidate-quits-and-backs-tories-over-racism-and-misogyny-13162247

I'm glad that Reform are taking votes away from the execrable Tories.

GTTO is the aim for all voters.

Not at all. I'm a foster carer.

@Shortfatsuit How is allowing someone currently earning 20K and paying tax on a portion of it, to allowing them to earn 20k tax free only for higher earners?

Fucks sake

Because I won't support the Conservatives for their broken promises, I'm terrified of Labour and Lib Dems who will erode women's rights and both are too pro trans people in female spaces which will put female rights back 50 years, remember the Labour conference where all had to use unisex toilets? I agree with Reform UK that the BBC should be an optional service, there are 2 biological sexes and people can't change when they feel like it, the threshold has been frozen for too long and immigration is too high. I also think Labour will try to negotiate with the EU and it will be to the detriment of UK fishing. I also suspect capital gains tax will be increased and inheritance tax too.

The same argument was said with regard to Brexit. Afterwards they informed us that it wasn’t that simple and would take decades to redraft, publish and pass new legislation. Consequently tonnes of shit are now being pumped into our waters.

What makes you think that Farage, a man who has repeated voted against maternity rights AND pay, would suddenly change his stance and come up with a human rights bill that protects us?

I am sure that we could write our own human rights bill with better protections than the current ones if the government had the will. However, there would be nothing to stop a future leader from scrapping these enhanced rights.

What did that woman think she was volunteering to represent when she stood for Reform UK?!

I'm talking about the overall impact of their policies on tax. Look at the link and who would benefit most.

Someone will always benefit MOST, however makes changes 🙄

*whoever

So you care about women's rights but you're voting for Reform? The mind boggles...

There will be no meaning to the words, women's rights, unless it's stated in law what a woman is.

No other party has ever even countenanced it, because it’s abhorrent. People fought and died for hundreds of years to give us the rights we currently enjoy, and Reform and their supporters want to throw them away. Maybe they don’t understand what it means.

They haven’t even mentioned replacing the Equality Act, just that they want to scrap it. Why do you assume that they’ll give us a better one, with better protections? That’s just like people assuming the NHS would get ££££ because it was on the side of a bus. It would be suicide to trust them when we’ve got no idea what comes next, just like Brexit.

A large proportion of lower paid workers would benefit though, that must be a good thing even if higher earners did to.

There are many though who, due to their dislike of Reform, would criticise a £20k tax threshold if it meant the higher paid less tax conveniently forgetting how many lower paid workers would significantly be better off.

It would cost tens of billions of pounds. Where will that come from?

Of course someone will always benefit most.

Regressive approaches are designed to benefit the richest people most. Typically favoured by the right.

Progressive approaches are designed to redistribute some of the wealth. More commonly favoured by the left.

If you're happy for the rich to get richer, then by all means, vote for a party that promotes regressive tax policies.

If you'd like to live in a fairer society, then choose a party that espouses a more progressive approach instead.

Obviously, it's important to understand that massive reductions in the overall tax take are also likely to require massive reductions in public services to pay for those cuts.

Reform is just Brexit all over again. People readily voted for it as a protest but it hasn't made their lives better and the country is a lot poorer.

Voting for Reform is like voting for Truss to be PM. The policies are the same and Farage was a big cheerleader of Truss and that budget at the time.

Farage is a good protester but he's got no practical answers. He's the right wing Corbyn.

The Tories have tried to cut immigration but there's no way of doing it without an economic hit and the whole free market Capitalist market relies on economic growth. Worker visaa/student visas etc are all needed for the economy, and that is the bulk of the numbers

It's the boats they've tried to stop (in vain) because that's an economic drag having to house them and hear their asylum claims, while they can't work.

Farage wants to privatise the NHS. Nuff said.

Lower tax equas higher tax take. Allowing lower paid workers to earn more before being taxed would lower benefit bills.

As unpopular as it may be, utilising costs earmarked for climate change/net zero would be far better used elsewhere.

Lowering corporation tax will allow investment in the UK, producing jobs which allow more people in work.

The mere thought of lower taxes, allowing people to keep more of their own money and investing for growth is so unpalatable for some, it doesn't matter which party it comes from they will never accept it can bring in more money than the constant taxing of everything. Growth has to come from somewhere, Labour's idea of not changing current tax levels and raising some, whilst somehow ensuring growth is not going to work.

The non dom tax and private school VAT is not going to pay for a lot, irrespective of how many times a Labour chancellor says it will.

Farage wants to mirror European types of healthcare not quite the same. I know where I would rather be treated for an illness and it is not the NHS.

Many lower paid workers would be taken out of paying tax or only pay a low amount. I don't see why people can't see this would be fair.

I don't object to the idea of raising the tax threshold per se. I want people on lower incomes to pay less tax and for them to have more money in their pockets. However, I don't want massive cuts to our public services - the NHS, schools, local authorities etc are on their knees already. So higher earners, like me, would need to pay more tax so that those on the lowest incomes can pay a bit less.

But when you look at the overall package of tax reforms that Reform is actually proposing (rather than just the headline about the £20k), they would benefit higher earners way more than they would benefit the people who are currently struggling with the cost of living etc, plus the government would have to make massive cuts to public services in order to pay for them. I don't think that's fair.

Where should someone with right of centre views vote if they are totally disillusioned with the tories and particularly the gross double standards they were guilty of during covid? Cant vote Tory again so soon on principle.