To think there's going to be a Civil War in America

[LaurieFairyCake]

I mean, they're fucked aren't they

Now that Trump isn't getting prosecuted after today for the January 6th atrocities

And Biden 🤦‍♀️ - they might replace him

It's so awful - so terribly polarised

I think it's a real possibility

OP you are delusional and you believe complete and utter bullshit without checking any of the facts.

I think the USA as a stable democracy ended when Trump and his followers refused to accept the election results, and violently invaded the heart of their own democracy to drive the point home, while their president let them try to hunt down elected representatives.

Once 'we the people' do not trust in or accept the election results, it's all over. If Biden wins, MAGA will not accept that, so it's game over. And if Trump wins, he'll do exactly what he's promised and tear democracy down.

Less bombs dropped over the middle east than the previous president and the current.

Trump all the way

What do we have to worry about?

By what mechanism do you think he will be able to get rid of the two term limit ?

As far as I am aware that would require constitutional amendment. To give you an idea of how difficult that is, the last one happened in 1992.

To amend the constitution requires things like supermajorities. I think he is highly unlikely to be able to get these.

So how exactly do you expect him to go about doing this ?

Or is it, as I suspect, largely nonsense ?

This might have been missed in the UK because people were focussing on Liz Truss blaming Everyone But Herself.

But at the CPAC where Truss spoke, there was another speaker who was cheered when he proclaimed "Welcome to the end of democracy." The guy at the podium was Steve Bannon, Trump's former White House chief strategist, architect of his 2016 campaign, and co-founder of Breitbart News. The speaker was Jack Prosobiec, who was involved in propagating a huge drop of hacked documents immediately before the 2017 French presidential elections, with the aim of causing Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt immediately at the moment of the polls.

(In fact there didn't turn out to be anything particularly bad in the documents, but the last-minute nature meant they couldn't have been fully checked in time. That's the point of this technique. Prosobiec was actively trying to interfere in another country's elections, working in tandem with others.)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-39845105

This isn't just some fringe weirdos. These people have their hands on levers of power. They're giggling about the "end of democracy" on stage, but it's actually not a joke. They've just told us what they're really after.

And we've seen what they are happy to do. The January 6th insurrection was not some random riot, it had a purpose. Trump told the bussed-in crowd to march to the Capitol and prevent the states' electoral votes being counted.

I don’t know. I mean Trump has been in power before and non of that happened.
The world seemed to go tits up when Biden was elected.

So many bots

Oops… missed this. You’re right I just skimmed the document and found this!

The great challenge confronting a conservative President is the existential need for aggressive use of the vast powers of the executive branch to return power— including power currently held by the executive branch—to the American people. Success in meeting that challenge will require a rare combination of boldness and self-denial: boldness to bend or break the bureaucracy to the presidential will and self-denial to use the bureaucratic machine to send power away from Washington and back to America’s families, faith communities, local governments, and states.

The bastards… cunning of them to dress up a dictatorship by returning power to the states and not keeping it in the federal government.

In fact, they're so keen to return power to the states, that they tried to prevent the states recording their electoral votes...

I'm not a bot. I just have a brain.

“No, it doesn’t kill me because he knows he’s an illegitimate president,” she said. “I believe he understands that the many varying tactics they used, from voter suppression and voter purging to hacking to the false stories — he knows that — there were just a bunch of different reasons why the election turned out like it did.”

You mean like this?

My dd is emigrating to America next mouth to get married....

Oh come on. People aren't bots because they don't agree with the op.

I think it the op wasn't so dramatic and shouting at everyone the responses would be a little more even.

You’ll notice I didn’t talk about policies of either Trump or Biden- but go ahead, tell me why Trump is amazing if you like.

it won’t change the fact that he’s fucking mental, as are the MAGA crowd.

It has nothing to do with him being amazing and everything to do with people waving hands and screaming hysterically about what the terrible things he will do, when he didn’t do them before and while Biden (or whoever is controlling him) is doing them now.

Good point that you didn’t mention policies. Most people who don’t want to see what’s really happening never do.

The concern about Trump is fascinating.

The US is playing a role in 2 areas of conflict and 1 area of tension which could escalate. And November seems a long way away in that context.

Meanwhile.....

Joe Biden is clearly not fit to run the country so who is making presidential decisions?

Answer: nobody the American people elected.

@needtonamechangeforthis1 thanks for this document… it does make things a lot easier when it’s all in one place….

One school of conservative thought holds that as Moscow’s illegal war of aggression against Ukraine drags on, Russia presents major challenges to US. interests, as well as to peace, stability, and the post-Cold War security order in Europe. This viewpoint argues for continued U.S. involvement including military aid, economic aid, and the presence of NATO and U.S. troops if necessary. The end goal of the conflict must be the defeat of Russian President Vladimir Putin and a return to pre-invasion border lines.

Another school of conservative thought denies that U.S. Ukrainian support is in the national security interest of America at all. Ukraine is not amember of the NATO alliance and is one of the most corrupt nations in the region. European nations directly affected by the conflict should aid in the defense of Ukraine, but the U.S. should not continue its involvement. This viewpoint desires a swift end to the conflict through a negotiated settlement between Ukraine and Russia.

The tension between these competing positions has given rise to a third approach. This conservative viewpoint eschews both isolationism and interventionism. Rather, each foreign policy decision must first ask the question: What is in the interest of the American people? U.S. military engagement must clearly fall within U.S. interests; be fiscally responsible; and protect American freedom, liberty, and sovereignty, all while recognizing Communist China as the greatest threat to US. interests. Thus, with respect to Ukraine, continued U.S. involvement must be fully paid for; limited to military aid (while European allies address Ukraine’s economic needs); and have a clearly defined national security strategy that does not risk American lives.

Regardless of viewpoints, all sides agree that Putin’s invasion of Ukraine is unjust and that the Ukrainian people have a right to defend their homeland. Furthermore, the conflict has severely weakened Putin’s military strength and provided a boost to NATO unity and its importance to European nations.
The next conservative President has a generational opportunity to bring resolution to the foreign policy tensions within the movement and chart a new path forward that recognizes Communist China as the defining threat to U.S. interests in the 21st century.

That's a good question! People are concerned if he's fit enough to be elected President but he IS President right now! Why then are they not asking for him to step down and Kamala step up?

Trump's priorities are power, profit and revenge. Not necessarily in that order.

But he was elected 🙄 whether he should be President is probably not even debatable at this point, it’s shocking he hasn’t stood down.

but he was certainly voted in.

Because she was always insurance against that very thing. I mean he has a medical condition but she can’t string together a coherent sentence.

Whereas Trump...?

Yeh there's gonna be a war there, here and everywhere else pretty soon.

Just keep reading the Daily Fear & Hate every day and don't enjoy your sorry life.

Yes, exactly like that - minus the violent insurrection or a coodinated refusal by her followers to accept the results. There was no Democratic Stop the Steal movement, or anything like it. But that sort of talk undermines democracy and the unity of the nation.

You seem to think I'm a Democrat or voted Hilary? I'm not sure why. I don't have skin in this game.

If the people reject democracy - not the leaders, the people - then it's over. The country may limp on for a while, but the the great American era as a democratic experiment is over.

Trump cares nothing about what he smashes up, if the smashing gains him power and money - even if what he smashes up is the American nation. I don't think he is idealogically opposed to or supportive of anything. He will do the thing and say the thing that gets him what he wants.