To think there's going to be a Civil War in America

[LaurieFairyCake]

I mean, they're fucked aren't they

Now that Trump isn't getting prosecuted after today for the January 6th atrocities

And Biden 🤦‍♀️ - they might replace him

It's so awful - so terribly polarised

I think it's a real possibility

I’m not sure why a ideological document written by an uber conservative group, describing their bizarre ideas is even a topic except for scaremongering tactics.

But many government employees in the US are already classified as at-will, and most certainly all of the ones at a level to impact policy.

Yeah no…

A Stalinist purge

Official figures put the total number of documentable executions during the years 1937 and 1938 at 681,692,[162][163] in addition to 116,000 deaths in the Gulag,[1]and 2,000 unofficially killed in non-article 58 shootings;[1] whereas the total estimate of deaths brought about by Soviet repression during the Great Purge ranges from 950,000 to 1.2 million, which includes executions, deaths in detention and those who died shortly after being released from the Gulag, as a result of their treatment therein.[1] There were also 16,500 to 50,000 deaths in the deportation of Soviet Koreans which correspond to the purge.

Since we all seem to like wiki articles
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GreatPurge

Schedule F means that an employee can be fired without the lengthy process. It cuts the bureaucracy and means that managers have the authority to manage their teams. It means that employees are still protected from discrimination under federal law. And it also means that they are treated the same as the vast majority of US workers

About 74% of U.S. workers are considered at-will employees. At-Will Employment States: All states in the U.S., excluding Montana, are at-will.

ETA;
And this is where I got the information for the dreaded schedule F

www.govexec.com/workforce/2024/04/opm-issues-final-rule-schedule-f-protections/395463/#:~:text=The%20final%20rule%20states%20that,used%20to%20define%20Schedule%20F

Lol semantics again.

Keep trying

You also haven't understood what the Schedule F stuff means or are deliberately misinterpreting it.

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It’s semantics to say that it’s not the same as murdering people?

Please enlighten me @Aladdinzane what does schedule F mean and please return the favor of sources.

Civil War certainly breaking out on this thread.

I'm old enough to remember Richard Nixons resignation which I watched on TV in Oregon. During the Watergate investigation he told one of his advisors * ' If the President does something that means it can't be illegal '. This was enough to convince most people he wasn't fit to be President of the USA. Because he must either be evil or stone mad. But now the Supreme Court seems to agree with him.

• Was it Charles Colson? My recall is a bit Bidenesque lately.

But if there is no immunity for Presidents then they would all end up in jail for one thing or another wouldn't they?
Nixon -watergate
Bush - war crimes for invading Iraq
Regan -Iran Contra affair
Obama - droning innocent civillians
Biden - People working for him killed while leaving Afghanistan in a botched withdrawal.
Trump - Hiding documents

There has to be some kind of official immunity and it benifits both Democrats and Republicans as otherwise political opponants would constantly jail the opposite side's president and eventually no one would run for office or they would be unable to make decisions which it turns out later were incorrect. The reasons could become more and more petty.
I am not a Trump fan but the Democrats have broken the convention of not charging a president and the court I think had to make the ruling they did.

Heritage president Kevin Roberts said in July 2024 that "we are in the process of the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be."[

I was totally willing to admit that I'd been a bit hyperbolic with the Stalinist purges ref but then that Heritage Foundation guy.... Still, if they're not going to shoot anyone unless they try to resist that's fine I guess.

Are there crazy right and left wing nuts in the US that would like to do crazy things? Absolutely. Do they have the power to do so? Not en masse.

Unlikely to do jail time. But could be debarred from office etc etc. You can't have blanket immunity for either party. Then you'd just be electing a dictator with no accountability
But that's where are I guess.

Re documents:
www.politico.com/news/2023/01/12/additional-documents-marked-classified-found-in-bidens-wilmington-garage-00077680

Democrats are pressuring Biden to resign following his disastrous performance at the debate last week. Many people were shocked how much biden has declined mentally, especially with the MSM gaslighting the American people for months at how wonderful & sharp he is & then they see the debate. If he does resign then it's Kamala who is even more unpopular than Biden. Effectively all this will ensure victory for Trump in November.

Uh oh…. https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/03/-biden-tells-ally-hes-weighing-whether-to-stay-in-race-reports.html

The WH is denying it at this time.

Yes there was a huge amount of pushback and gaslighting about his capability

It’s just made it worse as he has so obviously declined

What do you think would have happened if they hadn't got Nancy Pelosi or Pence out in time? Do you think the crowd would have let them go if they'd come across them - they were within about 100 feet at one time I think, just a quick thinking Capitol police officer distracted them the wrong way.

Maybe his law degree from Yale? His time as a partner in a lawfirm? Time on the board of directors of Amtrak? Chairman of the board of the World food program? I have no doubt who his father is helped him get that position, as I think you'll find happens pretty often across all the political families, but to treat him as completely unqualified is unfair also.

He's also not banned from running any charities like the Trump children are, if we're going to bring the offspring into this.

I sit on 2 boards, 1 a charity, I don't have experience in either sector from a work perspective, but bring other skills to the table (as do most of the other board members).

I am glad you mentioned Amtrak. Hunter actually resigned when his father became VP, most likely to remove the appearance of anything unethical. Most likely because he was told he needed to do so by the organization. I don’t think the son of a U.S. Senator should be sitting on a board like this anyway:

“Amtrak is a federally chartered corporation, with the federal government as majority stockholder. The Amtrak Board of Directors is appointed by the President of the United States and confirmed by the U.S. Senate.”

Also, stop getting your news from Facebook.

https://www.newsweek.com/white-house-hit-new-hunter-biden-pressure-1920925

NBC News, citing "people familiar with the matter," reported on Tuesday that Hunter Biden had "popped into" meetings and phone calls between his father and advisers following the president's unsettling debate with former President Donald Trump last week. Some White House staffers were reportedly taken aback by Hunter's presence, asking, "What the hell is happening?"

I think the dangerous time will be when it's time for Trump to come out. And then he won't. Been taking dictator tips from his little friends.

No one could get away with that in the United States. They would need every branch of the military and the US military is too disciplined, too non-partisan, too patriotic. One might get a few generals to side with them, but it’s hard to fathom even that happening. The executive branch just isn’t that powerful alone.

I think most people outside of the US struggle to grasp the sheer size of the country and the and the complexity of the government.

It’s starting to look like the guy who will refuse to leave office is Biden himself.

https://www.semafor.com/article/07/08/2024/defiant-joe-biden-democrats-national-convention-call

I see this is an old thread, so I apologize if I've said this before - but this is a perfect example of a post that shouldn't be here. Clearly, it should be somewhere like the politics forum.