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Female friends on a stag night

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Sweetsweetgrass · 01/07/2024 08:33

My fiance has asked if I'm OK with him inviting two female friends to his stag do. His plan is to do an activity i.e. paintballing, go-karting, during the day then rent a big house on Air BnB to do a bbq and everyone can stay over and drink. He said it won't be heavy drinking, whilst we're in our thirties some guys will be in 40s/50s. He has a list of 10 guys and 2 girls. I've briefly met each woman once during our relationship to say hello but otherwise I can't say I know them at all. He said they're friends so wants to invite them, it shouldn't matter that they're women.

Honestly, I have several issues with this.

  1. I don't know these women and they aren't part of his day to day life so I'm confused why he wants to invite them now
  2. I feel the group dynamics will change with women there and the other guys may not be happy with this
  3. Why would a woman want to attend a stag do where she doesn't know all the guys? Personally I wouldn't want to be drinking and staying over in a house full of men when I don't know all of them (they may feel the same as he hasn't invited them yet).

I know I'm supposed to be totally cool with it and respect his friendships and show everyone how secure I am, but I'm not comfortable with it. Is this just me or would others have reservations?

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username47985 · 01/07/2024 18:59

My sister had 2 men on her Hen Do. They were both childhood family friends. They shared a room in the house we had rented. We all had a great time!

ColinMyWifeBridgerton · 01/07/2024 19:35

There's a lot of back pedalling here. I think there's two different questions - do women go to their friends' stag does? And the answer is a resounding "yes".

The other question is, is it right to invite random women who are not friends with the stag, when actual female friends of the stag aren't invited, and specifically so that the men in his group can have a go at sleeping with them? And the answer is obviously no, that isn't right. These women are not sex workers and it's disgusting to invite them to something like this, under the guise of being friends, when really they're there to be served up on a platter to a horny best man.

Your OP asks about the first scenario. Your updates ask about the second one. Only you know which is closer to the truth.

Ratisshortforratthew · 01/07/2024 19:39

NameChangeCass · 01/07/2024 18:58

I wouldn't want to do the stag events, and whilst some women may enjoy it, it is a typical lads event and drinking rum with a bbq. Which is why I am questioning why invite them, would they enjoy it? Fiance has said one of them is very girly girl and probably wouldn't stay anyway. She's quite reserved and wouldn't want bad language and boy banter, which is why I am questioning why change his event to accommodate women?

uggghhh this is one of the most nauseatingly sexist things I have read. Women are allowed to drink rum and enjoy “banter”. ( “boy banter” on the other hand is typically code for misogyny and shouldn’t be enjoyed by anyone). We don’t all have to be “reserved”.

I can’t tell if you don’t trust your fiancée or you are just regressive and sexist and like to compete/ compare yourself constantly to other women.

YABU.

Yes I did read this and wonder when drinking rum and having BBQs became “lads” activities… pretty sure there have been women (and a variety of spirits) at every bbq I’ve ever attended. Some have even been hosted by women!

Quimjelly · 01/07/2024 19:41

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tiggergoesbounce · 01/07/2024 20:10

I do find your stance on this bizarre OP, and a strange attitude to male and female activities and behaviours. I have female friend who are far more wild on nights out than my DH and his friends.

It is the norm for the stags best man to organise the stag do.

Your Fiance has a few old friends that they feel should be invited. (They happen to be female) Your fiancé's friend, also friend to these women I assume, might fancy one of them.
I don't see a problem- the women, I'm sure, can decide for themselves if they want to attend.

Your fiancé's mate wants to bump your mate, as he isn't really their friend, your fiancé's has said that won't happen. Job done.

You also have issues with hot tubs ?

All you need to do now is address your issues, before this grows into a bigger problem through your marriage and ruining it,,over nothing

CatherineofAmazon · 01/07/2024 20:12

Great result OP.

tiggergoesbounce · 01/07/2024 20:12

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I'm assuming this is a joke.

Ratisshortforratthew · 01/07/2024 20:17

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I’m sorry, what? The brainworms are off the scale here

StripedPiggy · 01/07/2024 20:19

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Meanwhile, back in the 21st century…. 🙄

perfumasour · 01/07/2024 20:20

tiggergoesbounce · 01/07/2024 20:10

I do find your stance on this bizarre OP, and a strange attitude to male and female activities and behaviours. I have female friend who are far more wild on nights out than my DH and his friends.

It is the norm for the stags best man to organise the stag do.

Your Fiance has a few old friends that they feel should be invited. (They happen to be female) Your fiancé's friend, also friend to these women I assume, might fancy one of them.
I don't see a problem- the women, I'm sure, can decide for themselves if they want to attend.

Your fiancé's mate wants to bump your mate, as he isn't really their friend, your fiancé's has said that won't happen. Job done.

You also have issues with hot tubs ?

All you need to do now is address your issues, before this grows into a bigger problem through your marriage and ruining it,,over nothing

Your third paragraph is wrong. OP's fiancé isn't the one feeling that the old friends should be invited. The best man, of his own volition wanted to invite them because HE wants them there.
Nothing to do with OP fiancé.

perfumasour · 01/07/2024 20:22

Sweetsweetgrass · 01/07/2024 17:50

Funny thing is I don't consider myself a girly girl. I rarely hang out with just girls, but there are occasions where it's nice to be girls only and the talk is different. Before the wedding, I decided I wanted to chill and relax and book a spa afternoon with a massage - there has been a lot of family trauma this year I won't go into and I wanted to treat myself. For me. I invited some female relatives and two females friends primarily cos no boys were interested in doing this! In the evening I've invited some more friends one of whom is non binary. I extended the invite on the premise I would not be offended if they decline but they should know it's only women attending if that matters to them. They took no offence and said they'd love to attend. All good. I have male friends and almost all our social gatherings are in mixed groups. I am OK with this.

The fact is, my Fiance made a list initially of guys. His best man then suggested removing my male friend, and adding the women, so I am questioning this and why they are now invited when they weren't originally. He says they are close friends but it doesn't add up for me. I am not sure why we have to do everything in mixed groups all of the time. Why is it wrong on this one occasion for girls/boys to do different things? Why does that make me misogynistic? I feel if we are doing mixed events perhaps it should be one mixed party rather than separate hen/stag dos but my Fiance wanted to do his thing, which is fair enough. I have not put an ultimatum to him or dictated who he should invite, if anything, it's his best man who is dictating who should come and who shouldn't and placing people into events they do not want to attend.

Processing all of this, I have come to the conclusion that the best man has not considered my Fiance nor me in his plans, but what really gets me is he hasn't checked what my Fiance wants. We've spoken this afternoon and my Fiance has said our male friend (yes who I knew first but is now his friend too) is coming to the stag do and he has told his best man that women are invited to the wedding only, it's men only at the stag do. His best mans response was 'that's rubbish'. Not, 'OK whatever you want mate', but that he thinks it's rubbish and he doesn't like that. My Fiance doesn't get to hang out with the boys all that much especially since we have children. He said if there's any issues, he's very happy to keep it with boys only which was what he originally planned. Sorry to report we haven't cancelled the wedding nor has he left me.

Well done OP an excellent outcome! I'm also laughing at your last sentence ...you tell 'em🤣
Your fiancé seems level all the best with the wedding and related events

Witchcraftandhokum · 01/07/2024 20:27

I can't get past the fact that he's asked your permission.

Epicaricacy · 01/07/2024 20:40

Witchcraftandhokum · 01/07/2024 20:27

I can't get past the fact that he's asked your permission.

You know who's wearing the trousers in the relationship 😂

Samthedog71717 · 01/07/2024 20:55

I think I couldn't cope with your level of neediness.

Teacherprebaby · 01/07/2024 21:00

I've been on my friend's stag do, because I'm his friend...why should women friends not go?

His fiance had absolutely no problem with it and I have only met her a handful of times.

It was a laugh and we were just two of the guys.

Trust issues?

Teacherprebaby · 01/07/2024 21:07

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What the actual fuck, we 'stifle their conversation', well I'm sorry, back to the kitchen it is! Jesus Christ, I didn't think women like you existed under 70.

Missgucci · 01/07/2024 21:28

freshbluesnow · 01/07/2024 09:23

Stat do's are for... stags! All these cool wives on this thread are unreasonable.

They ain't cool wives.. they'd be doing their nut in if it were their hubby to be... but it's easy to pretend you are cool and judge others especially when I'm guessing these so called wives get walked all over by their husbands. Inviting two random women op has never met and aren't coming to the wedding as if that's a perfectly normal thing to do. It's not Normal and op should speak up. There's no way on this earth I'd accept something like this.

Wellineverever · 01/07/2024 21:38

I’ve been on a stag do of an old Uni friend. Hasn’t seen him in ages. There were two or three women there. Didn’t meet his wife until the wedding. Stag do doesn’t have to mean a blokey piss up. It can just be about friends celebrating this new phase of life. I think it’s quite normal to have friends of either sex these days. I think it’s a good sign that your DH to be doesn’t differentiate between his male and female friends. I think it shows he sees women as equal and just as people rather than a different species.

Epicaricacy · 01/07/2024 22:03

Missgucci · 01/07/2024 21:28

They ain't cool wives.. they'd be doing their nut in if it were their hubby to be... but it's easy to pretend you are cool and judge others especially when I'm guessing these so called wives get walked all over by their husbands. Inviting two random women op has never met and aren't coming to the wedding as if that's a perfectly normal thing to do. It's not Normal and op should speak up. There's no way on this earth I'd accept something like this.

Nice little goady post, does it make you feel better at all 😂

You do realise when you write such bitter post, it says more about you than you think!

Vestigial · 01/07/2024 22:06

Missgucci · 01/07/2024 21:28

They ain't cool wives.. they'd be doing their nut in if it were their hubby to be... but it's easy to pretend you are cool and judge others especially when I'm guessing these so called wives get walked all over by their husbands. Inviting two random women op has never met and aren't coming to the wedding as if that's a perfectly normal thing to do. It's not Normal and op should speak up. There's no way on this earth I'd accept something like this.

You see, I find this level of total paranoia and territorialism far harder to believe in. Why is it so hard to believe other women have no issue with their husbands having female friendships that don’t necessarily involve them? I’ve succeeded in not sleeping with my male friends for decades, including going on holiday together. DH has a longtime female friend I’ve never actually met because she lives on the opposite side of the world and they tend to meet on work trips when they find themselves in the same country. We’ve been happily married for aeons. Part of why it works is having strong friendships.

Just how deluded are you about the supreme attractiveness of your ‘hubby’, that you think women are lining up to seduce him?

OpizpuHeuvHiyo · 01/07/2024 22:10

You are being totally daft. Of course men can have female friends and vice versa.

DH and I both had mixed sex pre-wedding shenanigans. DH even had a best-woman rather than best man (he had been "bride's best man" at her wedding). I was a bit pissed off with those of my male friends who didn't invite me to theirs but some of them did.

Some people aren't sexist in their friendships. This is a good thing.

brunettemic · 01/07/2024 22:37

You don’t trust him. The rest is just window dressing, seems like a you issue. If they were makes friends he hadn’t seen for ages you wouldn’t bat an eyelid.

Doyoumind · 01/07/2024 22:37

I agree with PP that you've back pedalled. Your objection seemed to morph from your first post, but you rather gave yourself away even in later posts saying the best man hadn't considered you in the arrangements. You have trust issues which you should sort for the sake of your children.

Emptyheadlock · 01/07/2024 23:19

I wouldn't attend a hen in a big accommodation with men present.

I have a few good male mates and nor would I attend their stag do.

Captainmycaptains · 03/07/2024 13:50

Emptyheadlock · 01/07/2024 23:19

I wouldn't attend a hen in a big accommodation with men present.

I have a few good male mates and nor would I attend their stag do.

ever been invited to one?