AIBU to vote reform

[MeadowL]

Anyone else sick of the Tories and Labour and will be voting reform?

Just realised there are an awful lot of new posters on this thread. What a waste of time trying to get any sensible responses out of trolls and bots.

NO, NO and more NO! He is a Dell Boy fascist and opportunist of the worst order.

Christ, who do you hang out with?

Everyone l know would be ashamed to vote Reform. Party of knuckleheads.

I do. In case you have not noticed, apprenticeships lead to qualifications. 38% of young people go to uni. We have a workforce with a higher percent with a degree as they’ve got one after 21 or are from abroad. Obviously lots have HE or level 3 qualifications. Not that many access nothing at all. So in general, those few aren’t that bright. A few might be self starters and have a business but that number is shrinking. Most do it after a degree. The market trader with no qualifications becoming a rich businessman is rare. That’s why we know Sugar but he’s 77. In his day, only around 5% went to uni and polytechnics had not opened.

John Major only got three O levels. Should he have not been allowed to become PM?

Their leader has made it very clear he sees Andrew Tate as a good role model for boys. That’s the Andrew Tate who is being prosecuted for rape and people trafficking and says that women should be the property of men and kept at home with no possessions. That’s who Farage likes as a role model for our boys.

Farage has also talked about blokes being allowed to be blokes and he has expressed support for Putin and Trump.

Party members have been recorded saying explicitly racist things.

His plans for the NHS are to make him and his mates money by selling it off to American companies.

He doesn’t care about anyone but himself, Brexit was about lining his mates pockets (I haven’t forgotten you Aaron Banks and what you did). He is only using immigration as a dog whistle to further his own cause.

Well look what he did to the country……

I think it will be like this on MN until 10pm on Thursday.

yet there is no qualification requirement needed because it’s not about that…

she’s demonstrated herself to be a hard working, reliable and passionate politician. even those who don’t agree with her politics can see that.

she’s living proof of how people can come from a hard background and work hard to get somewhere.

you just don’t like her cos she’s gobby and northern. she’s passionate, if we had more politicians like her we’d not be in the state we find ourselves in.

whereas…
Boris and Truss both have those qualifications you speak of yet both were terrible as PM. and both are gone now… guess what? because a degree doesn’t mean a good politician.

i’d much rather we focused on having people in power who aren’t despicable human beings out to make themselves richer at the expense of everyone else.

Spot on @Sparticusoctopus . At heart he is still a stockbroker who is trying to push his share portfolio, feather his nest and his mates’.

no just the ‘leader’ of Reform has endorsed him as an important voice for men. so why would any woman who cares about VAWG feel comfortable with that?

the company you keep tells an important story about you.

It seems that politicians with some sense of integrity ended when Theresa May left and now we are served by no better than a bunch of Anglo Saxon berlusconis.

agreed. i didn’t agree with her politics but she did have integrity and respect.

I am centre left. I absolutely don’t believe that anyone who disagrees with me is a fascist. I don’t think that of the Greens, the Lib Dems, the Tories, the Cristian Alliance, etc etc.

I do think that of Reform. I have read their manifesto. I have listened to them speak. I have heard the racist dog whistles and undertones which pervade many of their polices and their speeches. I have noted their candidates and their conduct. They are not fascists in the sense of wanting complete and total control of the State, but their other views align strongly with fascism past and present.

Maybe you are the one with a one note view of those who disagree with your views, not “the left.”

Didn't he leave school age 12?

I see that you said 'qualification' which could mean lots of things. I thought you had said degree. I would agree that there are less intelligent young people without any qualification at all now than when Rayner was 18-25 or when Alan Sugar was at school. There is a large difference between the generations.

Andrew Tate has been charged with human trafficking, rape and forming a criminal gang to exploit women sexually.
Honestly, can you at least be accurate on this thread? Untruths are so easily verified, they'll get you nowhere.

Voting Reform is not a noble protest vote.

Noisy politicians are not the same as thought through policies. Rayner for the moment will do as she’s told

Major got banking qualifications. He’s also 80. You had far more chance to work your way up back then. As he went to a grammar, which he hated, he was bright. He just had to find his feet and he had difficult family circumstances.

I would agree that May had some degree of integrity. Cameron, who came before her, not so much!

'Rayner for the moment will do as she’s told'

They all do as they are told. The most obvious example of this is the President of the world's largest economy.

Wow. You are either a Russian bot, Andrew Tate or seriously cognitively challenged.