AIBU to vote reform

[MeadowL]

Anyone else sick of the Tories and Labour and will be voting reform?

that's nice

do they also refer to our PM with the P word?

Very questionable that Reform have no constitution either. Nothing to hold their leadership accountable to members, nothing to enshrine their operating principles and governance. Very opaque and sinister.

An awful lot of people won't be voting for the Conservatives either, because of things like this.

As I said upthread, dismissing people in this sort of rude, patronising way is part of the problem and you will simply encourage more people to vote for them too.

How about listening instead?

My young adult son (who has not voted Reform), has mentioned that a couple of his friends and some others he went to school with attended a Farage rally and some of them may vote for him. I'm interested to know why and would love to speak them about it, in a non judgemental way.

Shut the borders, lower energy bills and hopefully shut people like you up.

The problem is toxic traits women list are the same ones that cause men to protect the women they love. I am talking about traditional masculine traits

Vote for who you like OP and stuff everyone else.
I haven’t voted Reform, but if their policies align with your values and you believe it is the best party for you, then go for it.

We all live different lives and have different priorities. The amount of childish responses to other people’s choice of vote only further reinforces my belief that this country is doomed nomatter who is in charge. We live in a democratic society and are free to make a choice, and should be free from ridicule about that choice.

Happy voting everyone!

Pretty much everyone I know voted Labour in 2019. Pockets of like minded people don’t win elections.

I don’t have a man in my home.

Mind you, it might’ve been nice for the last one to have a target that wasn’t me.

What do you suggest I do?

How so? What surprises do we have coming?

Same

What, you’re asking do I want that bloke who admires putin running the country? No thanks, I’ll pass.

How? Those things are difficult, complicated and costly (leaving aside the last, which is rich coming from a group who say they think the left don’t want other people to have different opinions)

I have a theory that part of the reason Reform passed the Tories for 2nd place amongst 18-24 year old voters is the failure of the parliamentary left to mount effective scrutiny of lockdown, and the restrictions related approach generally. There were people on the left doing that right from the start, but there was never an institutional based for it. And I'm not the only person who worried at the time about something like this happening.

Unsurprisingly, criticism of those policies finds a receptive ear in some of a group who were made to sacrifice the most and were at the lowest risk. Even in the context of Farage being a Putin felching traitor.

Yes you are unreasonable.

So well put
Absolutely.
Voting Labour to give the country a chance.

Not saying they are. Just that I think they will secure more votes than they otherwise would have.

Ahh yes. Shutting borders and lowering energy bills. Those two easy policies to enact in a consequence free way in a modern, connected world.

Well, half the country... 🤷‍♀️

you've just illustrated the stereotype, well done you.

How do you think Reform Limited are going to close our borders when no other party has managed it?

How are they going to lower energy bills?

Is their aim to 'shut people like me up?' Who are 'people like me'? Doesn't it concern you that 'shutting people up' is the thin end of the wedge to shutting down any form of dissent? And if it doesn't concern you, why not?

First past the post is designed to keep out extremists, hopefully that will be the case here

You do realise women can be police officers to don’t you?

Reform are going to surprise a lot of people.

Reform voters, that's for sure.

When they get only a handful of seats. When most candidates are made to stand down after the GE. When they fail to consolidate longer term voters over to the right, adequately to make the changes they want. You are all going to get gradually disillusioned.

Reform seem to screech a lot about what they are going to do but absolutely nothing about how they are actually going to do it