To ask who you are voting for?

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Labour
Tories
Lib Dem
Green
Reform
SNP (Scotland)

And why?

The difference is that previously we were able to challenge men who were behaving suspiciously. And I mean collectively - security guards etc could challenge them and kick them out. Now we can't.

Men are the threat, not trans women

And, as has also been said, transwomen are no less male than any other man.

Added to that, Home Office figures (I have seen them.but I don't have it to hand) show that sexual offences are more highly represented I the transwomen prison population than the general male population.

@cardibach So you’re saying you’re worrying he’ll do something he’s promised not to do as an excuse for voting to enable the worst government I can ever remember?
Whilst Karmer has stated he’ll honour triple lock, he needs to raise revenue. I don’t assume he’ll manage to levy funds without affecting me and whilst he’s vowed to protect working families, being retired I’m not in that section.
Does this smack of greed and selfishness? Let’s see. To supplement my pension should I enter the employment market as I’m experienced, flexible (not needing child care, but providing it gratis which would have a further impact on my AC and their children) and deprive the younger generation who are trying to get on to or climbing the housing ladder and making ends meet? Would that be fair? I don’t think so and I hope not to be squeezed into such a position. I’m not “economically active” but I have a role in two generations’ lives and am concerned by Starmer’s obfuscation in the face of Jane’s question on Radio 5 Live. Well done, that mumsnetter, and thank you for addressing him. I’m female, have DiLs and DGDs btw - that’s what I do worry about, not that Karmer will do something he’s promised not to do.
How can I enable Conservatives when I live in a Labour stronghold?
I have the right to a political preference which differs from yours and to express it. My age group has lived through many governments, recalls the effects upon the economy and the nation. I’m not totally on board with the present Conservative Party, have been negatively (financially) affected during their latest term, but their overall aims and stance on biological sex fit better with my opinions.
the worst government I can ever remember is your value judgement to which you are entitled.

I thin’ you are worrying about nothing. You’ve decided to fret about something there’s zero indication he’s even thinking of.
Re these Tories being the worst government I can remember, of course it’s a value judgement/opinion. I would challenge you to point out anything good they’ve achieved though - anything which has made your life better.

I have sent my postal vote and I have voted Conservative.

Our Tory MP has always been visible and his views on what should be done about certain issues affecting our local area largely align with mine.

The labour candidate doesn’t even live locally and in fact lives in an inner city area so not sure why she would care about the issues affecting a rural shire constituency. Also I won’t vote for a party whose leader believes that women can have penises and men can have a cervix. The VAT on private schools is politics of envy and race to the bottom approach.

Our family fits the description of what someone upthread described as an ordinary working family/squeezed middle and labour will likely increase our taxes and make us worse off.

Would not vote Lib Dem or Green either due to women’s rights either.

Blimey.

I absolutely agree with this point. Well done

Reform

I'm sorry for the child who has been castrated and has no sex drive. I can't imagine what that must be like to be robbed of that for life.

As the mother of a nearly trans 'daughter' this difficulty hadn't even occurred to me when my son came to me to say he was thinking about his gender identity....I got a very quick crash course in gender identity at that point.

I believe my child is also no threat to women but I am so glad he is not going in to spaces where he might intimidate, scare or make women uncomfortable due to simply being a male in a woman's space. I am pleased that he is affording women privacy to deal with periods, speak about elements of being and growing up with a female body and so on.

Like many women I use a menstrual cup to deal with periods. It can be very tempting to use a disabled toilet so that the sink is right there but I am not disabled and I know that for disabled people who's struggles in particular include continence, being in a disabled toilet when they need it might be the difference between them having a good day out and having to go home and change. Sorry but I think it's important to acknowledge this.

It's interesting how almost any time women speak and say things that are not approved of however it's referred to as screeching, screaming and so on. The misogyny is awful.

I can’t believe that anyone can look around the country and world as it is right now and then decide to vote (or not) on the basis of a tiny minority of people’s genitalia.

It just baffles me.

My daughter has a lot more to fear from straight men than from any trans person, as do I. We both have more to fear from the climate crisis than anything else. And in the day to day I worry about my pay and my bills. And an unfolding genocide backed by the supposed leaders of the western world

Voting or refusing to vote on a single issue basis when the issue is the rights of a tiny group just seems like a luxury no one can afford.

We have a good Tory MP, so she got my postal vote. Complete conservative stronghold here.

Women aren't a tiny group though?

Keir Starmer has an intelligent wife and 13 year old daughter. Do you really think he doesn’t care about women?

There are a lot of power hungry men with wives & daughters who would sell them out for more glory. You see it every day. So, so many misogynists with intelligent wives, partners, mothers and sisters who simply do not care for their rights or opinions. What makes you believe Keir is any different?

Agree. I've been thinking this for quite some time.

Trans people are a tiny group and in addition a tiny if not minuscule threat to women.

Having a wife and a daughter has never stopped a man being a misogynist

@cardibach
I thin’ you are worrying about nothing. You’ve decided to fret about something there’s zero indication he’s even thinking of.
Are we speaking at cross purposes? Are you alluding to the Labour Party raising taxes? I’ve told you I’m concerned about how additional money will be levied but worrying about Starmer’s stance on single sex rights.
Challenge accepted. Triple lock introduced by Conservatives and Lib Dems in 2010, raising of personal allowance, a period without stamp duty which facilitated a younger generation to get on the housing ladder, 30 hours free child care (though I grant you the loss of Sure Start is reprehensible).
Over to you. Using facts, not opinions, convince me why I should join my fellow constituents and vote Labour.

Yeah you really haven't been following this.

Conservative. Dual issue voter - women's rights (which don't exist if men can be women) and VAT on school fees.

I am staggered at the posters focusing on a single issue, that probably tiny numbers have faced in real life.

Seriously, how many of you have been faced with a trans woman in your space?

I am not dismissing the issue, it absolutely needs to be addressed. And female spaces must be protected 100%.

But frankly, don't we have other issues, after 14 long and miserable years of this shit-show.

🤣 very good

Yeah I really have, and- I am assuming unlike you and many other GC women- know and work with many trans people, none of whom are in any way a threat to you

Conservative but I have no enthusiasm this time. I normally vote conservative but I did have a good think before hand as I just feel they have really run out of steam after so many years in power they just don’t inspire me. Labour have always been too socially left wing for me- eg trans rights. I also really do not like the views of the extreme left within the party who I don’t feel at the moment are silenced. Jeremy Corbyn terrified me- I just couldn’t vote them this time until I’m proved wrong that the extreme left of the Labour Party are successfully kept away from the cabinet by Keir. I like Keir, but Labour Party I feel can be rather nasty at times believing they have ownership on morality in this country and if you’ve voted Tory in the past your evil. Eg people that go to their conferences with T-shirts saying “ kill a tory” just repulses me. I feel they’ve done a lot to shut down real debate in this country, because if you don’t agree with them you must be evil and then cancelled. I looked at the independents- but to be quite frank they came across as nutters!- one wanted to make all children homeschoolers. I thought about reform but some of the stuff their candidates have come out with- rascist and sexist put me off. So I feel pretty politically homeless at the moment. I did think about spoiling my ballot but I just don’t like that idea. So I have ended up with conservatives mainly based on my local MP who has helped me out with a few things in the past, so I voted for him rather than the party.

Ok so any women's group or camp or outdoor activity inevitably gets asked if we welcome women with penises, so whether someone turns up or not the women running it have to think about the impact to their group and any of the cervix havers turning up.

Toilets becoming mixed sex to accommodate the women with penises. In such toilets men don't close doors and can be a nuisance especially when combined with alcohol.
In a local prestigious music venue there were two sets of men's toilets and 2 for women. One of the women's toilets are now mixed sex. So now two are men only, one can be used by anyone and there is only one single sex set of toilets for women. Considering women need to deal with periods and so on it doesn't make sense that it's their toilets that have become mixed sex and not the men's. Womens facilities have been halved for a tiny minority?

The nurses at a Darlington hospital having to change with a man who calls himself Rose

www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/nurses-suing-their-employer-for-allowing-trans-women-to-use-their-changing-rooms-13160104

Why aren’t they in any way a threat?