To ask who you are voting for?

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Labour
Tories
Lib Dem
Green
Reform
SNP (Scotland)

And why?

Labour.

I simply can't vote for the Tories after the reprehensible things they have done while in power, and I really dislike my MP. In my constituency it's only Labour who have a realistic chance of ousting them. So while my political home is the Lib Dems, I'll vote tactically on this occasion.

Maybe trans women don’t want to share a changing room with a load of screeching TERFs.

Hopefully, yes. They can stay out of women’s spaces and everyone will be happy.

I do think that men masquerading as trans women are a much bigger threat than trans women

Unfortunately, that also makes you a transphobic bigot/TERF because Stonewall's line is "acceptance without exception". You're not allowed to make the distinction between 'real' TW and those who are 'men masquerading as transwomen' because it's exclusionary and gatekeeping and who are you to police someone else's inner gender feelings?

That's exactly why GC feminists are against self ID because the gatekeeping that existed to filter out those 'men masquerading as transwomen' is being/has been dismantled. This means that people like your child (who sounds respectful in their conduct) are also caught up in the shit show of a backlash along with women.

The moment a man - any man, and for whatever reason, announces those hallowed words, "I'm a woman," they must be treated as such.

Even if they're stood with their cock in their hand in a communal changing room full of teenage girls at the time.

Hopefully Julie Bindel is "feminist" enough for you.

https://x.com/bindelj/status/1375465964075163652

Labour will walk it in my area. They’ll get a massive majority of the vote so it feels pointless. I will probably vote Lib Dem but more as a vote for ‘not labour’
It won’t make a difference though

Labour.

Well it's rather unfortunate that the misogyny evident in your post has prevented you from even attempting to understand the sex realist argument.

One of the best people I know is a transwoman, we lived in the same house for 5 years. We used to holiday together and celebrated all life's milestones with each other.

I was slightly defensive when I first became aware of self ID but now I could write an essay on the harm being done to people with gender dysphoria as well as women and children.

Why are you OK with your child's struggle being co-opted and used as a shield by predatory men?

Labour. I’m 33 years old and have lived under Tory rule since 20; it hasn’t always been this bad but they deserve to get utterly decimated for how they’ve behaved in the last few years.

Labour. The Tories have destroyed this country. I cannot forgive them for the Brexit disaster, nor for installing a PM who partied and lied his way through the pandemic while others said goodbye to loved ones on video call. How anyone can consider voting for them after all the hideous things they've done is beyond me. But that's democracy. So I hope they get the biggest trouncing in history. Karma.

You what? Where did I say I was? I didn’t say I was in favour (or against) self ID. I’ve never seen a trans person in a changing room in my life, so it’s a bit of a non-issue to me. It’s just hysteria as far as I can see.

I’m more concerned with things that are actually problems, like children going hungry and NHS waiting lists than I am about where a trans person could potentially try on a pair of jeans.

Ah I see. I thought you were misrepresenting the GC argument by claiming we think all transwomen are rapists but its clear now that you don't understand the arguments at all because you have reduced it to where a someone might try on a pair of jeans.

It's a shame you're not more interested in something which could affect your child.

It doesn’t affect my child because she wouldn’t enter women’s spaces. It’s a moot point. It could affect me, but frankly it doesn’t really.

GRC or self-ID, banning trans women or not banning them is by the by. It will not stop men from raping women. I could have been raped in a changing room 20 years ago. I could be raped today or next year. I don’t believe that the risk will be any greater if trans people are allowed to self-ID. Men are the threat, not trans women.

What does affect my child is being called a pervert and a rapist because she has a diagnosis of gender dysphoria.

Men are the threat, not trans women.

Trans women are male though. And the crux of the matter as stated above, any male can id as a transwomen. 'Acceptance without exception' remember!

And @Anonym00se that 'you can be raped anywhere, anytime anyway' as an excuse for forcing females to share with males?! Appalling!

You’ve spectacularly missed my point. Firstly, I didn’t say “anywhere” did I? I said “in a changing room”.

Secondly, I don’t think that there would be any more men in women’s changing rooms than there are currently. I don’t believe hoards of men will suddenly be appearing in changing rooms, hence my point about no increased risk.

There are unisex changing rooms in swimming baths. There have been for years. Men come in and get changed in the same area as women and children. I don’t recall any hysteria over this. We all just change in our cubicle with the door shut. Why aren’t you all screaming about that? Oh yeah, it’s because it’s not men that you have a problem with, it’s just trans women that you hate.

It's so boring going on about Trans stuff with regards to this. All that needs to be said about it is Labour (like the SNP) have bought into the mass delusion wholesale. If you're pro the postmodern desire to distort truth and reality then knock yourselves out voting for them. The intricacies of changing rooms and prisons and toilets are completely irrelevant. Seriously.

And maybe you don't value the people who govern the country prioritising truth and reality and are more concerned with, I don't know, politicians seemingly "being kind"? In which case go ahead and also vote Labour.

Personally I would like to get back to the time when we all shared the same truth and reality and just disagreed about the best policies to deal with it. The quality of political debate is so utterly childish and imbecilic now. It's like we've had a collective lobotomy.

There are unisex changing rooms in swimming baths. There have been for years. Men come in and get changed in the same area as women and children. I don’t recall any hysteria over this. We all just change in our cubicle with the door shut. Why aren’t you all screaming about that? Oh yeah, it’s because it’s not men that you have a problem with, it’s just trans women that you hate

Exactly this! I go to the family changing rooms every time I use the pool.. men women and kids all in their cubicles it is not a problem .

Men are the threat, not trans women.

@Anonym00se

There is no such thing as trans women. None. They don't exist. There are women. And then there are men acting as women. It's irrelevant what hormones they have taken, what surgical procedures they have undergone, they are men. Also, I have never changed in a uni-sex changing room because I don't want to. I choose places which have single sex spaces for a reason.

Can't in good conscience back any of them. For that reason I just have to vote on a local level, who is the better of my locals for my area. Local Labour candidate has a terrible attitude towards womens rights and couldn't even tell me what the NHS plan will be. I will therefore be voting Green as I have a lot of respect on a professional and personal level for her, her morals, her views and what she wants to achieve.

What an idiotic remark.
No. Just someone who has worked in education under both Tory and Labour and saw what was best. And someone with a functioning memory of the last 14 years.

So you’re saying you’re worrying he’ll do something he’s promised not to do as an excuse for voting to enable the worst government I can ever remember?

Rubbish. There are reasons for the issues in Wales which I’m sure you’re aware of - including, but not limited to, demographics and Westminster controlled funding. My personal experiences here have been positive.

They can’t. It’s not costed and would be turbo-Truss. Thankfully there’s zero chance of them getting a chance this time, and hopefully any who do get elected will dem9nstrate their uselessness sufficiently to never be re-elected. Look at Farage’s record as an MEP to see what I mean.

Heatherbell1978 · Yesterday 18:31
Lib Dem. First time not voting Labour. I believe strongly in voting for the best party for society and not my own interests but I can't on this occasion. Starmer defines working families as those who rely on public services. It's made me realise that I'm just not in the demographic he cares about. And could never vote Tory”

Which public services do you not rely on?